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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#50876: Jun 22nd 2017 at 4:40:34 PM

Well it's big,it's white,and it stands out,says statue to me!

Your right though,it's probably more then a statue,maybe it's like a really significant marker,it may even like the crystal gem temple as someone on Reddit suggested

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50877: Jun 22nd 2017 at 8:49:06 PM

Semi serious:

wild mass guess White Diamond turns out to be a Dark Lord on Life Support who led the gems out of slavery and rebelled against their creators. She was critically wounded at some point, and has spent the past 10,000 or so years watching her empire devolve into an increasingly nightmarish totalitarian dystopia.wild mass guess

edited 22nd Jun '17 8:49:55 PM by CaptainCapsase

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50878: Jun 22nd 2017 at 9:05:56 PM

In broader terms, which seems most likely (or interesting) a reason for White Diamond's absense: she couldn't be bothered, she physically couldn't, or something else entirely?

I'm kind of hoping it's "physically can't", because I kind of want there to be something about White that makes her different than the other three besides being not being friends with them.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#50879: Jun 22nd 2017 at 9:10:12 PM

[up][up]I'd be down for that honestly.

Oh really when?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#50880: Jun 22nd 2017 at 9:24:43 PM

My theory is that White Diamond is a being of legend of Homeworld history. Like, perhaps the origin myth of Diamond Authority is that White Diamond was the original Gem, who split into the individual Diamonds we know today - thus supporting the Diamonds' divine right to rule and "natural" place as superior beings to other Gems.

Then we find out that the myth is at least in part real, and that White Diamond is the fusion of all the Diamonds... but they can't become her any more, because Pink is dead.

edited 22nd Jun '17 9:26:02 PM by KnownUnknown

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50881: Jun 22nd 2017 at 9:34:12 PM

Given the position of White's gem in the mural, I seriously doubt White Diamond is not in fact a distinct being.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50882: Jun 22nd 2017 at 9:42:42 PM

Though, that still leaves the question of where she fits in with Homeworld. She's still apart of their emblem so presumably all the Homeworld gems know there is supposed to be a White Diamond.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50883: Jun 22nd 2017 at 10:19:32 PM

It's just weird how no characters ever refer to the individual...

Casual reference...

Then when the character is revealed and everyone refers to that character all the time like it's normal...one wonders why they don't do that to begin with.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50884: Jun 22nd 2017 at 10:38:57 PM

Given the position of White's gem in the mural, I seriously doubt White Diamond is not in fact a distinct being.
Specifically that the murals seems to be portraying which planets each Diamond ruled over. That doesn't make any sense if White is a mythological figure.

I mean she could be someone, dead or nonexistent, presented to the public as an extant political figure, but that seems bizarre, pointless, and counter-productive.

The absence of White Diamonds' Court is a related question, with a similar range of (not mutually exclusive) possibilities:

  • She has no court.
  • Her court has very few members.
  • Her court is as scarce as the gem herself seems to be.
  • Her court is of a similar size and distribution as the other; that we've seen none is coincidental.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#50885: Jun 22nd 2017 at 11:46:36 PM

Guys, remember that Pink Diamond was never referred to until a season ago.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50886: Jun 23rd 2017 at 12:46:03 AM

That's what I was talking about...

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50887: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:37:06 AM

[up][up]We hadn't been to Homeworld, for a trial for high treason, a season ago. Or seen two of the Diamonds having a candid moment together.

And the pink emblem's absence on the modern Homeworld symbol, and every Homeworld gem, turned out to be because Pink was dead. In terms of establishing narrative style, that supports the idea that White Diamond('s followers) are absent for a specific reason, not just a coincidence.

edited 23rd Jun '17 8:46:25 AM by thatother1dude

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#50888: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:08:35 AM

I'm gonna make a crackpot theory right now.wild mass guess

  • White Diamond's level of power is so advanced that she and her court Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence, becoming metaphysical entities who cannot directly interact with the physical realm (or carbon based life). This feat caused her "sisters" to attempt to follow her example for eons. And they revere her as much as the Gems (Crystal gems excluded) revere normal Diamonds. To put it simply, if the Diamonds are God(like empresses), then White Diamond is the God of God(like empresse)s. Her court likewise became similar metaphysical beings, but with less influence than White Diamond (think angels).

Crackpot theory over, I await the moment where the show josses it with prejudice tongue

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:10:20 AM by MorningStar1337

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#50889: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:14:23 AM

I just watched "Jailbreak" and I think it's the only time in the entire show when a scene, (Garnet and Jasper's fight,) occurs when either a. Steven isn't present or b. someone is telling a story to Steven.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#50890: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:17:53 AM

You know, for a simple theory on the White Diamond statue that would fit what we know about Homeworld - maybe that entire statue is White Diamond's ship, and it's just parked at the moment. Jasper and Peridot only got a hand, Blue Diamond and Yellow Diamond got entire arms... and the ruler over everything gets an entire statue as a ship. I know, not the most exciting theory, but it easily fits what we've seen thus far.

Actually, that has me wondering... did Pink Diamond have a ship of some variety? If so, what happened to it?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#50891: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:19:36 AM

[up][up] They cheat a little by having Steven watching it on a security camera

[up] Its been theorized that the ruins in the desert where Steven found the second tape includes Pink Diamond's ship protruding a little above the sand

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:20:20 AM by Bocaj

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#50892: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:19:42 AM

Technically, Steven was watching the fight over the surveillance cameras.

[nja] by six damn seconds!

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:20:51 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50893: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:32:11 AM

I just watched "Jailbreak" and I think it's the only time in the entire show when a scene, (Garnet and Jasper's fight,) occurs when either a. Steven isn't present or b. someone is telling a story to Steven.
He saw the fight through a security camera on the bridge. Not all of it, but it's like how we saw Peridot converse with Yellow Diamond on both sides of the screen, even though Steven just saw one—it's essentially for visibility.

Similarly, "Friend Ship" spends a few seconds on Peridot alone before Steven shows up.

But the only time I can think where divergence from Steven's POV is used in a dramatic fashion is the endings of "Doug Out" and "The Good Lars", where the audience sees Onion and Sadie are being followed but Steven doesn't.

EDIT:[nja] Should've known someone else would bring the camera up faster—it's far from the first time it's been pointed out.

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:33:13 AM by thatother1dude

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#50894: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:35:57 AM

@50885 I take it you mean specifically a scene where Steven doesn't show up at all, thus discounting stuff like when the Maheswarans are waiting for Steven and his family to show up (so there's a few seconds where he's not part of the scene at all). Hmm... what about "Super Watermelon Island"? Or does that not count because Steven is regularly shown inhabiting Watermelon Stevens, even if they're background scenery for much of the episode?

If nothing else, "The New Crystal Gems" should probably count - Steven wasn't being told that as a story, and he obviously only shows up at the end.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50895: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:45:31 AM

Or does that not count because Steven is regularly shown inhabiting Watermelon Stevens, even if they're background scenery for much of the episode?
The camera stayed firmly on Steven's POV: We didn't see the Crystal Gems on Mask Island until he possessed a Watermelon Steven and walked to the beach. When Steven left to get help, we didn't see Alexandrite or Malachite again until Steven was right next to them.

If nothing else, "The New Crystal Gems" should probably count - Steven wasn't being told that as a story, and he obviously only shows up at the end.
Yes he was. The episode starts with his group getting back, then most of the rest of the episode is a Whole Episode Flashback told by Connie.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#50896: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:50:49 AM

I must be misremembering "The New Crystal Gems" - I thought that wasn't being relayed as a flashback.

Isn't there also some argument for "Kindergarten Kid"? I mean, Steven was there with Peri the whole time, but there are extended stretches where he's not even in the shot, even if he logically observed the whole thing.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#50897: Jun 23rd 2017 at 10:59:15 AM

wild mass guess White Diamond's court was harvested when Yellow and Blue gems were invented.

That's if harvested means the same as being replaced,we still don't know what Peridot meant,would be nice if they actually explained that bit,it's a tad annoying

edited 23rd Jun '17 11:05:11 AM by Ultimatum

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50898: Jun 23rd 2017 at 11:32:14 AM

Maybe White Diamond's "court" is just the other Diamonds, and they stopped making new ones after Pink's death.

In other words the other two manage the masses, and White manages Yellow and Blue. She intervenes when Yellow and Blue disagree on something.

edited 23rd Jun '17 11:38:30 AM by xanderiskander

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50899: Jun 23rd 2017 at 11:36:23 AM

Isn't there also some argument for "Kindergarten Kid"? I mean, Steven was there with Peri the whole time, but there are extended stretches where he's not even in the shot, even if he logically observed the whole thing.
Like 10 seconds counts as "extended"?

Anyway, the original post was talking about times where "Steven isn't present". Even if he wasn't on-camera, Steven was next to or watching Peridot the whole episode.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#50900: Jun 23rd 2017 at 11:45:10 AM

My theroy is that White Diamond shattered Pink Diamond because PD had grown tired of the centuries of war and was either planning to abandon earth to the Crystal Gems or even make some kind of truce with them and afterwards the crushing guilt had caused her to become a shut-in and that's why we haven't seen her yet.


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