Unless stated other, just assume gems act and think the same way as humans in their position. The closest analogue I can think of is a human with Identity Amnesia. They have "general knowledge" (which is a useful narrative concept, even if it doesn't make sense) but are very suggestible.
But Gems have individualistic desires—self-preservation, morality, empathy, etc. Topaz makes it clear plenty of Homeworld gems aren't motivated by loyalty, they just see no other options. If Homeworld wasn't so strong, they'd see way more defection for all their mistreatments.
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Facetiousness aside, what you said actually does apply to a lot of people. Shattering Pink Diamond to end the war is only inconsistent with Rose's character if you assume something like that is equivalent to wanton killing of all enemy combatants. The information in question doesn't even say it's inconsistent for Rose, just that there would be difficulties that we weren't aware of.
And there were people scramble to the "Eyeball is stupid so don't trust her" or "shapeshifting" as soon as Rose doing it was revealed.
We were likely going to find out more about what actually happened either way, this just introduces a new twist on it. And yes, that twist does put Rose's culpability under inspection, but my point was that a lot of people seem to be taking this as "So Rose couldn't have done it!" instead of "Huh, there are some unanswered questions here regarding Rose". These discussions are being framed as if Rose being framed or something is absolutely certain now, and that is most certainly not the case.
edited 7th Jun '17 8:00:53 PM by LSBK
Also it just seems like the way they're going at the moment.
edited 7th Jun '17 8:01:28 PM by xanderiskander
To use an analogy again, real life gems take extremely long to form, but that's in nature. Synthetic gemstones are easily made in a short time, and have been for over a century.
I feel like the story is implying that Rose got help. Taking away direct culpability for Pink's death, and I feel like I'm sounding like a broken record here, undoes character development that was established like 6 episodes beforehand, development that we spent most of Season 4 working on, that we spent the big finale of Season 3 looking at. I'm betting my record on it, feel free to rub it in my face if I'm mistaken here, I bet 100% that Rose is the primary conspirator towards the assassination of Pink Diamond. Any intervention by the Diamonds, by PD's court, by Pearl, by PD herself, comes secondary to Rose's own intuition that killing PD is the only way to save Earth. It is a fundamental plot point that the entire show hinges around; like straight up killing PD is almost certainly a primary motivation behind the Corruption Song that sets up the events of the show.
At the very least Rose wanted Pink Diamond dead, planned/tried to kill her, Pink Diamond ended up dead, and Rose benefited from it. I could even see Rose's apparent admission of guilt being an Avatar Kyoshi kind of thing where she thinks it's splitting hairs if she shattered Pink herself.
To use an analogy again, real life gems take extremely long to form, but that's in nature. Synthetic gemstones are easily made in a short time, and have been for over a century.
That seems what we're supposed to get out of it, with the timeline spanning hundreds of years, and Jasper popping out sort of in the middle or late into the war, instead of immediately after Rose's rebellion started.
Or to frame Rose in order to rally Homeworld against the Rebellion.
I believe we've already discussed this.
Oh God! Natural light!
Yeah, no. Pink's death was a heavy blow to the authority of the Diamonds. If anything, it must've bolstered any rebellious thoughts now that it was shown that the Diamonds could be defeated with a sharp implement and some gusto.
It's why they went full Nuke It From Orbit on Earth despite the loss of lives and resources.
edited 8th Jun '17 5:54:56 AM by Kayeka
Well, I'm not saying it worked.
Then again, what evidence do we have that Pink's death increased support of the Rebellion?
Indeed, her death seems to have merely strengthened everyone's positions, regardless of what side they were on.
edited 8th Jun '17 6:20:59 AM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Possibly also her home if theories about the hole in Russia are on to something
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI think it's pretty easy to Hand Wave why Rose felt it was necessary to shatter Pink Diamond. Over the course of literal centuries, I'm sure Rose's original resolve to just kick Homeworld out of Earth wore down. As much as she just wanted PD and her loyalists to just leave Earth, as time dragged on, Rose probably had less and less confidence that PD would just leave, even as the rebellion gained ground. I imagine at some point, Rose hit a Despair Event Horizon and made a decision that, even if no other gems were to be shattered, Pink Diamond had to die.
Among other things, I think this resulted in Rose becoming a bit of a Stepford Smiler and a Shell-Shocked Veteran (which is a very interesting lens to look at her flashback appearances, let me tell you). It's all conjecture, of course, but it fits very easily into what info we've been given.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.And yet Blue Diamond is still deep in mourning. Time truly is relative.
Amazing to think that this pivotal event in the series happened before the Civil Rights movement, before George Washington, before Shakespeare, before the Aztec Empire. All of this rich human history occurred way after this one event that everybody is still talking about like it was last week. Imagine what a big deal it must have been at the time! The world was shaken!
3DS FC: 1719-3694-1541I had a semi lucid dream last night where I was Steven and Yellow Diamond took me on a tour of Homeworld. I guess I/Steven had convinced her not to hurt me. At one point I gave her some food, and then had to explain to her how to shapeshift a digestive system. I remember I had a bag that I used to show the shape of a stomach, and that I reminded her to unclude "an exit hole." I guess I was too bashful to say butt or anus XD
Creator of Heroes of Thantopolis: http://heroesofthantopolis.com/Others could probably give links to the episode recaps in question, but I believe that it was established that Pink Diamond was shattered during the rebellion (I think that's what was said in "The Trial"), while the rebellion itself was around 5-6 millennia ago. The precise times are a bit vague, and it wouldn't even surprise me if it was actually a bit longer ago, and the principals just forget the specifics of how long ago it was.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.

We "were sure" she had done it, and now we aren't, so we are theorizing. I mean, people were wondering all alone if Rose actually did it, because it "wasn't" entirely consistent with her previous characterization, and now we have someone on-screen agreeing. It was the most impactful event of the latest episodes, followed only by Zombie Lars. And who cares about Lars?
EDIT: I'm being (mostly) facetious
edited 7th Jun '17 7:53:29 PM by Victin