Not a bad idea on paper, but how would a human antagonist even fit into the story? The only thing I can think of is a deranged gem hunter who's convinced that the only way to stop Homeworld from destroying the earth is to hunt down and shatter every gem he sees.
No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
Or maybe a Well-Intentioned Extremist that thinks the Crystal Gems are a threat to mankind?
edited 7th Jun '17 12:35:09 PM by superboy313
There is a possibility that Rose was steadily picking off members of Pink's court until there was just the right number absent for her to make a successful strike,that would at least explain the lapse in security,in Garnet's flashback we saw them attempt to take out Blue's Sapphire since they were using her visions to predict when the rebels would strike.
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverExcept if something like that was happening it probably would have been recorded. It sounds like the Diamonds (or Blue, at least) have no idea what happened at all that day and it came out of nowhere, not that a bunch of little signs pointed to a major assassination or attack happening and they were just ignored at the time.
edited 7th Jun '17 1:05:42 PM by PhiSat
Oissu!The only way I could see a human Big Bad is if the government decides to nuke the gems, and I find that unlikely.
Now I'm reminded the Diamonds literally had a Time Machine. Was it the only one of its kind? Why was it on Earth and not in a top secret lab in the safety of Homeworld? More questions that probably won't be answered because I don't expect Time Travel to be anything but an one-off episode.
It's possible she never reported it to the other diamonds because they would have made her leave her colony, the diamonds knew about the rebellion at least but didn't think she was in any danger because they assumed she would always be surrounded by her court
edit:> Was it the only one of its kind?
I'm reminded of the time turners in Harry potter and the plot holes it created,leading them all to be completely smashed in the following books,of course since they are very keen on video game shout outs they might involve time travel again,maybe even a time skip
edited 7th Jun '17 1:49:07 PM by Ultimatum
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverThe only way I could see it done is as a Strawman Political Politician, or a General Failure if the government or the military got involved, and I don't think those would be very satisfying antagonists. They'd end up being pretty two dimensional, and short lived like Marty and Kevin probably.
That or some kind of Captain Planet-esque polluter, but I don't think anyone wants to see that either.
edited 7th Jun '17 1:48:23 PM by xanderiskander
Rowling's version of Time Travel is more like Tricked Out Time, though it seemed like time paradoxes could happen if one wasn't careful enough (they just didn't in the circumstances).
edited 7th Jun '17 2:30:28 PM by PhiSat
Oissu!Time travel plays a large role in the Harry Potter and the Cursed Child and you can definitely change the past there. So either Rowling forgot how time travel works or blarthagarble
Sorry, but Ronaldo's image is too positive to be tainted by such a possibility.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.If we ever see Pink Diamond in a flashback I wonder if she'll share the disliking for fusions that the other two diamonds had,would be really surprising if she actually permitted it,and if it does turn out that Yellow Diamond had her bumped off then that would at least be a plausible motivation
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI think that human villains could work in the show. Not now obviously, the scope of the story is too big to focus on small stuff like human jerks. It's hard to care about the state of the US government when there are interstellar dictators trying to blow up the planet from across the galaxy.
I have no doubt that, if we were earlier in the story, human villains could have worked out well. The reason why we wouldn't have ever gotten long term human villains though ties into the nature of Steven Universe as a show. See the trick Sugar does is project all the personal elements of individuals onto the human characters. So you have jerks, and nice guys, mostly nice folks, that reflect the best of humanity. This way it doesn't look like the show is showing any inherent biases towards any particular human groups or concepts (also tied into the show's avoidance of religion). Instead, all of the negative aspects of humans, specifically those aspects directly tied into negative human institutions (racism, classism, sexual repression, conformity, military-industrial complexes, arguably capitalism itself, etc.). Because they're projected onto the resident Space Elves, those lessons can apply to damn near any group, and thus the show doesn't come off as deliberate social critique, even if it 100% is at many points. The government as a recurring villain, while a cool and logical idea, could never work because of that. And honestly given the reactions to Bismuth and Andy it is likely for the best that Steven Universe as a show keeps up this wall of separation between the lessons the show teaches and potential real world applications of said lessons.
Continuing however, this is also a huge problem with the show. Because the humans can never be sullied with institutionalized sins, they basically have to be washed clean of any interaction with gem shit, which is all about institutionalized evils. So you have a show where humans rarely if ever meaningfully interact with the interesting stuff about gems (aka anything not just random monster hunting). Even Lars and Connie, who interact by far the most with gem shit, are very much outsiders to it all. They help where they can, sure, but we never really see them get involved with all the icky complicated socio-political side of things. Their character arcs look inwards at themselves, not outwards at the world they inhabit.
This sucks, because a huge theme of the show is about breaking down these preconceived differences between humankind and gemkind. Hence the huge split between townie "filler" and gem "lore" episodes. And honestly, you really can't separate humans from the institutions humans foster and are fostered by, not while trying to still pretend that these humans are still, well, like us. As a result it's really hard to relate to the human characters, because while their insecurities and hangups are relatable in the sense that we have them too, with the gems we have a much better sense of those same insecurities and hangups with regards to the system that created those insecurities and hangups. You can't separate Pearl's lack of self worth from her role early on as a fancy slave for gem aristocrats. You can't separate Amethyst's insecurities and self-loathing from her dual dilemma as a failed version of one of the things that almost destroyed the only home she's ever known. And you can't really appreciate Garnet's strength and self-perseverance until you understand just how much she breaks from social traditions.
Yeah those are mostly the reasons I can't see it. I could see the government getting involved working if it were about the abductions and they wanted to work with the Crystal Gems. And they could still have flaws while doing that, like wanting to take advantage of them and repurpose gem tech. I just don't think they can satisfyingly be straight up antagonists.
edited 7th Jun '17 6:20:57 PM by xanderiskander
Hm.
On the topic of human villains, perhaps someone who believes that the best way to help humanity would be by emulating Homeworld, and getting gem tech.
Someone who wants humanity to be higher up on the universal pecking order, no matter the cost.
Here's my question for this unlikely fanfic wannabe scenario.
Would Gems obey the first person they saw when they popped out of a kindergarten? IE: Ruby pops out, and gets yelled at by an Agate Manager. Into formation!
On the topic of plot stuff, I believe it's been confirmed that Eyeball was actually there? Not too sure.
But, Eyeball being Eyeball, her testimony on events wouldn't be the best source of information.
edited 7th Jun '17 6:54:01 PM by RandomWriter413
If you're going where I think you are, and suggesting that a human starts up a kindergarten to make new gems, I'd like to remind you that gems take hundreds of years to form. It'd take longer than the show to see it, and longer than they'd live to do it.
I'd say it's pretty likely Eyeball Ruby was there to see it, both she and Blue were insistant about Rose's sword, and not her shield. What's interesting is Jasper, who we know had fights with Rose, instantly recognized the shield for what it was.
Whatever happened, I think it was manufactured to look like Rose did it.
With the big question about where her Pearl was, and this is spitballing here, my current guess is that our Pearl did it under Rose's direction. She has the most visible reaction when the Rubies confirm the shattering, and as to why it was meant to look like Rose did it? Exactly why Steven gave himself up, pin all the blame on Rose. If there was no way out but to start a rebellion, she could at least make sure the focal target of said rebellion was out for her Gem and not anyone else's. And it bypasses any Sapphires seeing Rose attack Pink's court, because they couldn't see that possibility happening, and Pearls have an incredibly close relationship with their Diamonds from what we've seen, given status and some degree of vulnerability around them.
My question is why are so many of you taking this as confirmation that Rose didn't do it? Like, as much as I dislike that, I admit it's where they're going, but ever since this happened people making these theories all seem to be taken it as a given that Rose just didn't do it anymore, and not that there being more to the story does not preclude her still being responsible for Pink's death, even if she didn't do it herself.
I've meant to ask that for awhile now, but wasn't sure how to phrase. Nothing has happened that you should take her being framed or whatever as a given.

That wouldn't be fitting of the setting...
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