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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50476: Jun 4th 2017 at 5:42:15 PM

Why bother when those containment fields are going keeping them trapped?
Because bubbles are completely inescapable from the inside, while Force Field Doors have significant downsides that I'll let Cave Johnson elaborate upon.
I just wanna get it on record that using force fields for doors in a space prison... is a bad idea. You know what would have been better? Regular doors, with locks! Locks that don't open when the POWER goes out!

Getting back to the point though, I don't think Jasper or Peridot knew how to bubble gems back that. For a while I thought only the Crystal Gems knew how, but the bubbled Rose Quartz gems (presumably by Pink Diamond) and the bubble the Zircon prosecutor around Lars head showed at least some Homeworld gems can do it.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50477: Jun 4th 2017 at 6:22:23 PM

You know, with all the hullabaloo over the trial, I wonder if we're forgetting the speculation from shortly before you: Did Rose (or any of the other of her kind) work at the Zoo? Zircon saying she Rose was a "stratagem" (presumably means "strategist") is evidence to the contrary, though that's far from conclusive.

edited 4th Jun '17 6:25:20 PM by thatother1dude

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#50478: Jun 4th 2017 at 7:13:40 PM

White Diamond is a character so enigmatic she literally does not exist in the story yet. She probably exists in general, but we've literally never seen any direct references to her outside of the illustrations on Moonbase. Everything else is just conjecture based on what we already know.

I'm not saying that WD doesn't exist, but compared to the teasing that we got for the other Diamonds White Diamond has been generally held back, which is why I don't like the idea of WD being responsible for everything.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50479: Jun 4th 2017 at 7:30:17 PM

I don't know, I'd say the statue is pretty on-par with the buildup Pink Diamond had before the season three finale (which is to say having her part of the emblem removed/damaged in several places).

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50480: Jun 4th 2017 at 8:09:44 PM

Watch as it turns out White is a Dark Lord on Life Support or something. That being said, White Diamond has gotten about as much build up as Pink. You have the statue, and various murals which may or may not link to her (one in particular depicts a white gem with spiky hair fighting Rose)

edited 4th Jun '17 8:16:46 PM by CaptainCapsase

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50481: Jun 4th 2017 at 8:25:49 PM

My money's on a Genius Loci. Either way, her being fully ambulatory would feel kind of disappointing, because then she doesn't have much of an excuse for being absent from the trial.

Unless she's just agoraphobic, which would be kind of hilarious.

edited 4th Jun '17 8:26:50 PM by thatother1dude

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50482: Jun 4th 2017 at 8:37:26 PM

She could also be off world attending to unknown matters or something.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50483: Jun 4th 2017 at 8:53:14 PM

[up][up] Suppose White is every bit as cold, emotionless, and rational as Peridot projected onto Yellow Diamond, or at least is a great deal closer to the kind of Übermensch that Peridot imagined the Diamonds to be. With an "army" consisting of a half dozen gems stranded on Earth, a relic of the ancient past like Rose Quartz is completely irrelevant to the modern day functioning of the Empire, and would not require the supreme leader of Homeworld to divert her attention from the presumably daunting task of administering an Empire consisting of hundreds of billions of subjects scattered across dozens of star systems.

In fact, that's probably lowballing it seeing as Homeworld is basically a Super Hive World and could easily have a population in the trillions all by itself.

edited 4th Jun '17 9:04:02 PM by CaptainCapsase

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#50484: Jun 5th 2017 at 6:44:46 AM

[up]funny how you link warhammer because the gems Spieces always give me this very eldar like vibe to me.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50485: Jun 5th 2017 at 6:58:02 AM

[up] I mean, Homeworld is seemingly a Ecumenopolis with a hyper-stratified society with the elites lording over trillions of impoverished peasants from their shining spires in the clouds. Throw in the barren and long abandoned surface inhabited by outcasts and mutants, and you've basically got the Gem equivalent of a Hive World.

edited 5th Jun '17 7:04:35 AM by CaptainCapsase

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#50486: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:32:49 AM

[up]Complete with honeycombs and Queen Mothers and single-gender and everything.

edited 5th Jun '17 8:33:20 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#50487: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:33:19 AM

@50470 Well, in the case of Peridot, she didn't bubble any of the captured Crystal Gems because she didn't know how - flash forward to "Kindergarten Kid," and she had to ask Steven how to take care of the corrupted gem once she had poofed it. A bit of How Do I Shot Web?, but it makes sense, if you think about it - when would Peri have even needed to know about how to bubble before that point?

I always assumed that Jasper similarly didn't know how to bubble. She wasn't exactly the "take prisoners" type for the most part. She simply never had the need to learn before then.

Besides, the main reason they failed there was because Steven was a Spanner in the Works - the two had no way of knowing in "Jail Break" that their containment methods wouldn't work on him until they saw that he had gotten out... and keep in mind that, by that point, Steven had already sprung the other Crystal Gems and their counterattack began. He was a major Didn't See That Coming for Team Homeworld in that episode.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#50488: Jun 5th 2017 at 1:39:00 PM

They mentioned the moonbase with its white gem would come back later. Can't remember if we revisited that yet.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#50489: Jun 5th 2017 at 2:53:43 PM

Answering this post

I think the answer is that the Rose Quartzes had such exceptional skills and abilities that they could fill multiple roles in ways that other gems could not,so you could have Quartzes working at the zoo and being part of her entourage,Rose being a strategist did surprise me,what better gem to lead a rebellion then someone capable of devising military tactics? It would indicate to me that Rose did not work at the zoo previously as some people have suspected,but part of Pink Diamond's trusted servents

As for why none of Pink Diamond's entourage tried to save her when Rose decided to attack her, her entire court may have been turned against her without her fully realising it,or they were that scared of Rose that they didn't dare intervene and only reacted afterwards.

edited 5th Jun '17 2:54:58 PM by Ultimatum

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#50490: Jun 5th 2017 at 3:08:54 PM

Or it was just a pun on strata.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#50491: Jun 5th 2017 at 3:09:25 PM

shhhhhhhhhhh!

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#50492: Jun 5th 2017 at 3:12:40 PM

She was a strata gem.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#50493: Jun 5th 2017 at 3:17:21 PM

Nevermind

edited 5th Jun '17 3:39:00 PM by Ultimatum

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InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#50494: Jun 5th 2017 at 4:13:31 PM

I like the idea of White Diamond being another unhealthy way of coping. Blue Diamond wallows in her sadness, Yellow Diamond represses her feelings and channels them into aggression and rage, and White Diamond remains distant and empty. After Pink died and Earth got corrupted, White Diamond just... left. She still pops in every so that she isn't totally absent, but she spends most of her time in the further reaches of the galaxy, possibly expanding the empire or just straight up living a quiet life far away from the Diamond Authority. Of course, with the unbalanced nature of Blue and Yellow this is causing serious imbalance on Homeworld.

RandomWriter413 Since: Feb, 2016
#50495: Jun 5th 2017 at 6:28:59 PM

@Two pages back: I agree that Pink is not going to be a super goody good ray of sunshine.

More likely, she'll be someone who is a villain, but has their own motives.

Who knows? She could be similar to Navy.

"What a lovely planet!"

"What are you doing with that human."

"I WANT ALL OF THEM."

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50496: Jun 5th 2017 at 7:49:24 PM

Or it was just a pun on strata.
I forgot "strata/stratum" had a meaning specific to geology. Although I have no idea what that would mean Zircon meant.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50497: Jun 5th 2017 at 7:54:33 PM

I thought it was just a pun on a real word that means scheme, and the word strategist, but I guess it's a triple pun.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50498: Jun 5th 2017 at 7:57:26 PM

In context, Rose was called "a shallow strata-gem who turned against her own kind", which makes it sound like some kind of insult, not a descriptor of her job.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50499: Jun 5th 2017 at 8:07:22 PM

At the time I didn't take it as being Rose's job either. I took it as Zircon of describing what she was known for, and just putting an extra descriptor in there. We already knew she had a reputation as a tactician from Jasper.

edited 5th Jun '17 8:14:19 PM by xanderiskander

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#50500: Jun 5th 2017 at 10:45:05 PM

I thought Zircon was talking about Rose being a gem from a shallow strata. Strata refers to a distinct layer of sedimentary rock. Sounded to me like she was describing the physical location of her exit hole.


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