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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50426: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:40:37 PM

They commented on it awhile ago, Amethyst shapeshifts most often because it comes naturally to her, Garnet is adept to it in different ways, and Pearl prefers her projection.
Sugar's wording (from the 2014 Reddit AMA) did leave room for Exact Words, though I agree there's no narrative necessity for an specific reason.

Plus, it would explain why the Super-Powered Robot Meter Maids trope is in effect; there's no indication that any of the other Pearls we've seen aren't as harmless as they look, whereas our Pearl could go toe to toe with a berserk three-gem fusion, at least for a time.
The implication from Peridot's description of the shift from Era 1 to 2 was that gems were were really overengineered back then. Hence Pearl is still way stronger than a human (at least after training), but Peridot is not. And even then, Peridot's metal powers are a pretty big unintended feature.

edited 2nd Jun '17 8:42:31 PM by thatother1dude

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50427: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:43:27 PM

[up] Perhaps, but Blue and presumably Yellow pearl are also era 1 gems. That being said, Pearl's capabilities are less of a factor in this theory of mine than tying everything together into one package which explains why Rose kept quiet and how the other diamonds were involved.

The major downside I see is that it puts White Diamond dangerously close to Complete Monster territory, but I tend to envision her as a Totalitarian Utilitarian in terms of personality, which at least comes with the semi-redeeming quality of applying their own hyper-collectivist moral standards to themselves.

edited 2nd Jun '17 8:45:50 PM by CaptainCapsase

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50428: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:46:00 PM

Yeah, losing the "Pearl was designed to secretly be an assassin" part doesn't really affect the theory that much.

I just still don't see enough evidence that "The Answer" is set after Pink Diamond's shattering.

The major downside I see is that it puts White Diamond dangerously close to Complete Monster territory, but I tend to envision her as a Totalitarian Utilitarian in terms of personality, which at least comes with the semi-redeeming quality of applying their own hyper-collectivist moral standards to themselves.
I half expect her to be Skynet at this point.

edited 2nd Jun '17 8:48:03 PM by thatother1dude

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50429: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:48:17 PM

[up] If a mere Pearl could with sufficient training be capable of killing a Diamond, that works fine, assuming White knew such a thing was possible, and I'd tend to think she would be the one to know being the assumed progenitor of Gemkind.

The basic essence of my theory is that Pearl was at one point, (either knowingly or Unknowingly) an agent of White Diamond at one point, and her killing of Pink Diamond was all part of White's plan. I'm fairly sure the answer took place before Pink Diamond's shattering considering Bismuth and Garnet know each other.

edited 2nd Jun '17 8:51:27 PM by CaptainCapsase

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50430: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:50:15 PM

Or she was just given some kind of specialized weapon that would, with the element of surprise, negate any need for strength.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50431: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:52:52 PM

Chances of getting more flashback episodes to the war? We don't even need to see the deed being done or focus on the presumed assassination plot, but if we're going to find out more about Pink Diamond, I feel like we should actually meet her. Hearing second hand from the obviously biased in different direction sources that are the Crystal Gems or Diamonds/Homeworld won't be sufficient, I think.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50432: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:53:00 PM

[up][up] That also works just fine, as I said, the core of the theory is quite flexible in regards to whether Pearl was anything more than an ordinary Pearl, to what extent Yellow Diamond was involved, and the general details of how the assassination went down, and even whether Pearl was aware of the unseen force pulling the strings. (though not being aware requires White Diamond to have Psychic Powers, which is entirely plausible given the powers Blue and Yellow have shown)

In regards to whether Pearl is different from an ordinary Pearl, remember Peridot remarking that "she's a fancy one" after taking a look at her.

edited 2nd Jun '17 9:00:35 PM by CaptainCapsase

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50434: Jun 2nd 2017 at 9:55:55 PM

We don't even need to see the deed being done or focus on the presumed assassination plot, but if we're going to find out more about Pink Diamond, I feel like we should actually meet her. Hearing second hand from the obviously biased in different direction sources that are the Crystal Gems or Diamonds/Homeworld won't be sufficient, I think.
Like a recording? Although even that can introduce a sort of bias if there's not a wide enough presentation of her character.

The Crystal Gems' fallibility on the subject is less bias and more vagueness. I'd the say the only thing so far that's come off as biased is describing the Zooman as Pink Diamond's trophies, when it seems more about preserving the species (which isn't much better, but it's not the same).

On a related note, I just remembered a detail from the trial I don't think anyone brought up yet: The other Rose Quartzes were bubbled long before Pink Diamond was shattered. The pink bubbles were a big hint (thought I don't remember anyone bringing that up either), but this confirms she was the one who punished a whole caste for one of their actions. Even if that's better than what Yellow Diamond wants to do now, the best case scenario is that it was a temporary measure while Rose was at large.

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#50435: Jun 2nd 2017 at 10:17:40 PM

[up][up] Are we doing this again?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50436: Jun 2nd 2017 at 10:37:54 PM

Also, I don't remember, had Pearl already been to the human zoo before?

Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#50437: Jun 2nd 2017 at 11:02:36 PM

[up] Back when she "still served... Homeworld", yes.

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#50439: Jun 3rd 2017 at 12:04:17 AM

I wonder if any fans will change their Zircon gemsonas to another mineral now that they know those are lawyers in canon. tongue

edited 3rd Jun '17 10:44:27 AM by DS9guy

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#50440: Jun 3rd 2017 at 7:09:19 AM

It's interesting how they've filled out at least one birthstone from each month,and the one remaining is May,represented by Emerald

At this point I think Emerald is being saved for something big,maybe as a fusion for a certain someone,maybe as new kind of gem

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#50441: Jun 3rd 2017 at 7:17:38 AM

So since Lion came from what I presume is the Sahara desert, he's most likely one of the now extinct Barbary lions

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50442: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:43:48 AM

[up]There are also lions in the Namib Desert.

I don't remember if "Buddy's Book" showed where that desert was. I'll check later.

EDIT: North Africa; the Sahara is probably correct.

edited 3rd Jun '17 10:25:10 AM by thatother1dude

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50443: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:11:14 AM

So another possible characterization of White Diamond that would fit into the theory that she arranged Pink Diamond's death has just occurred to me: a Wrong Genre Savvy Well-Intentioned Extremist who thinks she's living in a universe on the opposite side of the Sliding Scale of Idealism Versus Cynicism from where the show actually falls, and believes the Diamond Authority's despotic rule is the only thing standing between gemkind and extinction.

Pink Diamond sympathies, real or simply imagined for the rebellion threatened to escalate the matter from what amounted to a peasant revolt in a far off corner of the empire to a full blown civil war which could threaten the very existence of the Gem Empire, and by extension all of gemkind in White Diamond's worldview.

edited 3rd Jun '17 11:11:28 AM by CaptainCapsase

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#50444: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:29:17 AM

Is it possible Yellow wanted Pink dead so she had an excuse for creating the Cluster?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50445: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:32:03 AM

We've been over this before: unless Yellow Diamond is just the best actress ever, her actually wanting Pink dead does not mesh at all with what we've seen from her.

And why would Yellow need and excuse for creating the Cluster?

edited 3rd Jun '17 11:33:35 AM by LSBK

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#50446: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:46:03 AM

Yeah. If Yellow Diamond is the culprit, then there has to be a reason she needed Pink Diamond gone, regardless of how she felt about it.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50447: Jun 3rd 2017 at 12:03:45 PM

So about the idea that Pink Diamond allowed her security to lapse on her own.

I was thinking about it, and that theory clears up a couple more things. If she secretly respected human life, and wanted gem society to be more free and democratic, then, setting up the zoo just in case Rose fails makes sense to preserve human life, and having herself killed makes sense to undermine the Diamond Authority. And she would be in a position of authority to order a Rose Quartz with all her unique powers to be made deliberately.

edited 3rd Jun '17 12:06:12 PM by xanderiskander

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#50448: Jun 3rd 2017 at 12:07:31 PM

Now there's a thought, the entire story is a Thanatos Gambit by Pink Diamond.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50449: Jun 3rd 2017 at 12:08:26 PM

Somewhat related, but I really hope they don't make Pink the "good" Diamond. People have been speculating about that forever, and then it was moved to Blue, and now I guess both of them, because people want some singular villain to hate.

Really, hoping that whatever happens, that's not the case.

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#50450: Jun 3rd 2017 at 12:47:50 PM

I don't think 'Pink' will be the good diamond,maybe she had some good ideas.but on the whole I think she'll come across as misguided,which is why Rose got so close and shattered her,she thought they were going to be on same side,they weren't,since she wanted to preserve the humans in her zoo and Rose wanted them to be free

The decision to punish all gems of Rose's type was something Yellow and Blue probably made her do after they realised that in making Rose Quartzes care about their human subjects meant they were going to join Rose's rebellion

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