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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50401: Jun 2nd 2017 at 4:00:17 PM

Given Lars' voice, he'd more likely produce some kind of Glass-Shattering Sound.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#50402: Jun 2nd 2017 at 4:17:16 PM

Come to think of it, how does Lion's roar portal work again? Like, why couldn't Steven just ride Lion back to the Kindergarten?

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#50403: Jun 2nd 2017 at 4:18:26 PM

The distance between might be too far,even for Lion.

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Oceanstuck Dark Sun, what choices have I...? from see handle Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Dark Sun, what choices have I...?
#50404: Jun 2nd 2017 at 4:23:19 PM

lion got tired just warping to the moon

i think the distance from earth to homeworld might be a bit much

i guess you can watch me shitpost i guess
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#50405: Jun 2nd 2017 at 4:30:36 PM

Oh, yeah. I forgot about the tired thing.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50406: Jun 2nd 2017 at 4:43:41 PM

Incidentally, if it turns out Rose Quartz didn't shatter Pink Diamond, I am wrong in think that the odds of Blue Diamond making a Heel–Face Turn will be close to 100%?

Okay, maybe not 100% if it turns out it was actually our Pearl (which is the scenario in which Rose taking the fall for it makes the most sense.), but if it was one of the other Diamonds it's pretty much assured.

edited 2nd Jun '17 4:44:02 PM by CaptainCapsase

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#50407: Jun 2nd 2017 at 4:47:05 PM

Because I posted the Voltron one, I have to post this one too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojp0s8XIyhY

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50408: Jun 2nd 2017 at 4:52:20 PM

[up][up]I could see it becoming much more likely in that event, yes. Which is just another reason for me to hope they don't go that route.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50409: Jun 2nd 2017 at 5:21:36 PM

[up] Realistically speaking, a transition towards a constitutional monarchy with the consent of at least a substantial subset of the elites of sorts is one of the least risky paths for the liberalization of an absolute monarchy (which is a much better description of what the Gem Empre is than a dictatorship as some people have called it), at least going by human history, and that's not something that can happen if all the diamonds are shattered or poofed and imprisoned, which would pretty much require an outright revolution to accomplish given the mismatch in the forces at homeworld's disposal versus the Crystal Gems, and by extension a lot of bloodshed which could potentially be avoided if at least some of homeworld's elites came around at least partially to the Crystal gems' way of thinking.

edited 2nd Jun '17 5:29:14 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50410: Jun 2nd 2017 at 5:35:57 PM

I'm not necessarily saying I think they should all be shattered or poofed, I just don't want some "I saw the error of my ways and am not working with you!" bit, at least, not until the very end of the series.

Considering the Diamonds position I imagine pulling it off would be much harder, than say, the likes of Peridot.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50411: Jun 2nd 2017 at 5:40:22 PM

[up] It could work though if it's triggered by a smoking gun implicating White and/or Yellow in having killed Pink Diamond. In that scenario the Crystal Gems have gone from having a handful of outcasts and invalids sympathetic to their cause to basically all of the gems under Blue Diamond plus those gems that were once under Pink Diamond (*cough* Jasper *cough*) being at least somewhat on their side.

As far as timing goes, it's obviously something that would happen at or near the climax of the overall plot, possibly during or in the leadup to the final showdown with homeworld. Were this to happen I'd prefer it occur partway through the final season, to give time for the personal issues between the homeworld gems and the Crystal Gems to be shown and, if not really addressed at least made known, with it presumably starting as an Enemy Mine and perhaps growing into a more genuine understanding.

edited 2nd Jun '17 5:48:10 PM by CaptainCapsase

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50412: Jun 2nd 2017 at 5:44:04 PM

So then I guess total chaos would happen if both Rose and Yellow Diamond were involved?

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50413: Jun 2nd 2017 at 5:44:06 PM

Going back to that desert, I'm sure it's not a coincidence that it's where those ruins and the lion pack were. I see two broad likelihoods:

  • The ship crashing, or whatever caused that wreck, directly relates to Lion's death. That would presumably make Lion extremely old.
  • The ruins are why Rose hung around the desert, and she started taming lions while in the area. Lion died in a more mundane fashion, possibly relatively recently.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50414: Jun 2nd 2017 at 6:18:31 PM

My take on Blue Diamond is that she was at least capable of emphasizing with a human, so I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that she could change her ways. However, I'm not blind at all of the horrible things she's done, and she's probably been doing this for tens of thousands of years.

If she does renounce her ways, it's something that's going to have to be handled very carefully. And the other characters should be like "You've still done a lot of messed up stuff, girl."

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50415: Jun 2nd 2017 at 6:24:04 PM

[up] I mean, in my scenario where the revelation of the true circumstances behind Pink Diamonds deaths leads to an Enemy Mine between Blue Diamond and her subordinates (plus Jasper and other former Pink Diamond gems) and the Crystal Gems, there would definitely be friction on an epic scale between her and Garnet, and perhaps even friction between Garnet and the other Crystal Gems over not taking the Honor Before Reason route and rejecting the possibility of an Enemy Mine on principle.

edited 2nd Jun '17 6:33:21 PM by CaptainCapsase

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50416: Jun 2nd 2017 at 6:26:22 PM

Yeah, I imagine Steven would have his work cut out for him trying to keep that group together.

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#50417: Jun 2nd 2017 at 6:42:10 PM

So, is Rutile a pair of twins coming from one gem, or one individual with a split upper torso and two heads with a single consciousness? I think it's the latter.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50419: Jun 2nd 2017 at 6:48:02 PM

They said what they are...came out wrong or summit.

[up]Yeah, probably that.

edited 2nd Jun '17 6:50:07 PM by randomness4

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#50420: Jun 2nd 2017 at 6:58:35 PM

Awesome Rebecca Sugar Interview!

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/1/15657682/steven-universe-rebecca-sugar-cartoon-network-animation-interview

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50421: Jun 2nd 2017 at 7:28:49 PM

So, is Rutile a pair of twins coming from one gem, or one individual with a split upper torso and two heads with a single consciousness? I think it's the latter.
Examining the Rutile twins' dialogue:
  • Whenever speaking of an action or description that applies to both halves, they uses plural pronouns: "We're back!/Here we are!" "We're just a Rutile that came out wrong."
  • Whenever they're expressing an opinion, they use singular pronouns, even though both typically say very similar things in sequence: "Sure./I think so.", "That can't be./I'm incredulous."
  • There are some points where the two heads might be conversing with each other, but might instead be talking to other people or Thinking Out Loud: "How bizarre! What are they?/They certainly don't look like Gems we've ever seen before.", "That's what I said./I said the same thing."

There might be a mental connection, but their minds definitely have some independence—they just happen to be extremely similar anyway.

edited 2nd Jun '17 7:28:59 PM by thatother1dude

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50422: Jun 2nd 2017 at 7:55:43 PM

So here's a fairly comprehensive theory about Pink Diamond's death.

The killer was our Pearl, shapeshifted into Rose Quartz, and acting at least theoretically on orders from White Diamond as a sort of Manchurian Agent. In this theory, Pearl was created by White Diamond with far more autonomy and fighting capability than an ordinary Pearl for the purpose of spying on Rose Quartz and Pink Diamond (as White Diamond was growing suspicious of Pink), and if necessary eliminating them. Pearl was initially gifted to Pink Diamond in addition to her own Pearl, and later "defected" to the Crystal Gems. In the process of monitoring Rose Quartz, Pearl ended up Becoming the Mask, and found herself with Conflicting Loyalties.

As it turned out, Pink Diamond was becoming increasingly sympathetic to Rose's point of view, and was interested in a negotiated peace. This was unacceptable to White Diamond, and, learning from Pearl that Pink Diamond had agreed to meet with Rose in secret, decided Pink Diamond needed to go. White Diamond and Pearl (disguised as White's pearl) paid Pink a visit while she was on her way to said meeting. The plan was for Pearl to kill Pink Diamond shapeshifted as Rose just in time for the real Rose Quartz to arrive, who White would ambush and shatter at the site of the intended meeting. Pearl complied with the first directive, but because she had fallen In Love with the Mark, warned Rose about what was about to happen, allowing her and Pearl to escape from White Diamond's clutches, and cementing Pearl's Heel–Face Turn.

Because of her own relationship with Pearl (platonic or otherwise), and the fact that she had just saved her life, Rose took the fall for Pink Diamond's murder, and went to her pseudo-grave keeping that secret even from Garnet and Amethyst.

Optional parts: Yellow Diamond may have been in on this conspiracy, or may have found out about it later. Despite her own relationship with Pink Diamond, Yellow's loyalty to Homeworld and by extension to White Diamond has kept her quiet for all these years, and her desire to destroy the Earth and everything associated with Pink Diamond is born from wanting to be rid of anything that reminds her of the guilt and the sorrow for her own involvement in Pink's death/keeping the truth from Blue, who White feared might betray her if she found out the truth.

This whole process may have involved some degree of Mind Control / memory altering powers from White Diamond, perhaps even a Villain Override which could massively up the stakes in the final battle when White Diamond uses it again as an ace in the hole. The corruption attack was ordered by White because of the risk that the truth would come out while Pearl and Rose remained alive, and the subsequent planting of the cluster was to ensure there would be absolutely no evidence.

edited 2nd Jun '17 8:17:45 PM by CaptainCapsase

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#50423: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:29:09 PM

I think Pearl did it, but not out of any order or purpose from White Diamond. First, Pearl being designed as a combat capable Gem is a complete slap in the face to Pearl's entire sense of self and motivation. She chose to learn to fight and it was extremely difficult for a weak gem like herself to do so.

If Pearl did it, she probably did it under the impression that it would help the Crystal Gems and Rose. If she did it shapeshifted as Rose (and probably others to get close to Pink), it could explain her disdain for shapeshifting, as it reminds her of her actions.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50424: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:33:11 PM

Pearl not actively shape-shifting doesn't mean she can't or hates doing so I don't get why people talking as if there's anything implying she does. They commented on it awhile ago, Amethyst shapeshifts most often because it comes naturally to her, Garnet is adept to it in different ways, and Pearl prefers her projection.

Shapeshifting has never been implied to be a thing that all gems have an equal propensity for or enjoy doing. They could do something else with it, but I really don't get jumping to the conclusion that it has some significant meaning.

Even beyond that, the idea that shattering Pink Diamond equates to traumatizing Pearl and making her hate shapeshifting sounds like a huge leap in logic.

edited 2nd Jun '17 8:35:59 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50425: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:35:48 PM

[up][up] Pearl's slavish devotion to Rose in spite of trying to be more than just a Pearl kind of suggests that such Irony is very much a part of her character arc, she's been able to develop past that unhealthy devotion to Rose, but this theory adds room for further development in that regards. Plus, it would explain why the Super-Powered Robot Meter Maids trope is in effect; there's no indication that any of the other Pearls we've seen aren't as harmless as they look, whereas our Pearl could go toe to toe with a berserk three-gem fusion, at least for a time.

If White Diamond has borderline or actual Mind Control powers and/or other psychic abilities (or if homeworld had that sort of technology at the time) it's entirely plausible Pearl herself wasn't even aware that she was acting on White's orders as a Manchurian Agent. Finding out that, rather than having trained herself to be strong despite being an extremely weak gem, the potential was built into her by design would be devastating to her self image, and that's good for drama. That she was prodded down her path by subtle suggestion rather than her own free will would add insult to injury.

[up] The shape-shifting phobia isn't really all that essential to this theory; Pearl is capable of shape shifting but doesn't. That might not have anything to do with her role in shattering Pink Diamond, or maybe it does.

edited 2nd Jun '17 9:02:56 PM by CaptainCapsase


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