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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#50376: Jun 2nd 2017 at 10:45:50 AM

Blue Diamond during The Trial was still surprisingly fair compared to Yellow who just wanted a rigged Kangaroo Court trial, she demanded the defense be allowed to present a case and legitimately considered Blue Zircon's points even if it was pretty clear BZ was just making it up as she went. It seems weird that the same person would immediately call for Ruby's shattering without considering the circumstances.

edited 2nd Jun '17 10:46:17 AM by PhiSat

Oissu!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#50377: Jun 2nd 2017 at 10:55:22 AM

The one difference I can see is that in the Answer Blue saw the circumstances.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50378: Jun 2nd 2017 at 10:59:08 AM

I think the difference there is Zircon is just doing their job. A Ruby fusing with the gem they're guarding is going outside the scope of their job, and probably being "sentimental", which is not a desired trait according to Aquamarine.

Plus the parallels to bigotry.

Blue Diamond's probably just a multifaceted character who's merciful or vengeful depending on the circumstances.

edited 2nd Jun '17 11:04:40 AM by xanderiskander

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#50380: Jun 2nd 2017 at 11:17:53 AM

@50366 Well, fair enough, we can always try... but there's too much nebulousness to give anything beyond generalities at the moment. There are some educated guesses we can make (it seems pretty likely, unless Rose was deliberately hiding the info from Bismuth, that the former bubbled the latter before shattering Pink Diamond)... but even then, I wouldn't put too much confidence in my guesses.

I kinda wonder if there's a production bible with a hard-and-fast timeline. I easily could see a timeline of the rebellion being one of those things that didn't come up because they just weren't going to dwell on the minutiae that much.

@50367 Even if Amethyst doesn't have a working oxygen tank in her room (she tends to collect junk; an oxygen tank is not something you want to just scavenge from the garbage), it's not that hard to acquire one. On a simple level, given that Beach City is (as its name indicates) an oceanside town, it's not out of the realm of possibility that there's someone in-town that rents them out (plenty of beach towns, particularly ones that attract tourists, do have businesses that rent out scuba gear).

Even if there isn't, you can, y'know, just buy that stuff. Bargain-end models can be about $200, and even the fancier models are in the $400-$500 range. Sure, not an impulse buy, but Steven could totally save up for one without too much trouble (or, you know, Greg could just buy one fairly easily nowadays). As for where to buy one... trust me, if you live that close to the ocean, there's going to be a few businesses nearby that sell them. There's at least 3 within 5 miles of me, and I can tell you that where I live is not someplace known for its beautiful waters or warm waters all year 'round.

I mean, maybe he hasn't for the simple reason that he just never thought to do it, but it's not like getting a hold of an airtank is a terribly arduous task.

@50368 Well... like I said above, I could see a timeline that does make sense where PD was shattered before Bis got bubbled, but it does open up a bunch of darker characterization that I'm not totally sure they'd want to go with (Rose being a conflicted murderer who wanted to hide, as much as possible, what she had done even from her trusted lieutenants). It's unlikely, in part because it opens up a bunch of Unreliable Narrator issues (or, if you're less charitable, plot holes), plus I'm not sure if that's the way that they want to depict Rose Quartz. But likely/unlikely is different from possible/impossible.

@50370 Not only what was mentioned in @50371, but there is a minor but relevant "consider the source" point regarding BD's characterization in "The Answer" - we hear about what she was like specifically from someone who has good reason to hate and fear her. Garnet has pretty solid reasoning for, consciously or not, depicting BD as a bit harsher and nastier than she might have been (go back to "Out of this World" and look at Ruby's rant about BD - Garnet and the gems composing her are not inclined to give BD even the remotest positive characterization). I wouldn't be totally surprised to learn that BD was a hair less callous than she was depicted (but only a hair; she seems very moody to this day), so I don't know if that story can be used to divine anything about the timeline at all.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#50381: Jun 2nd 2017 at 11:19:10 AM

Huh,so it just occurred to me that the link to Homeworld can work both ways,now forces from the Gem Empire now have way of reaching Earth without the of the Galaxy Warp or ships,they just need to capture Lars,discover the link in his head ,and since Gems don't need to worry about breathing they can easily survive inside Lion's dimension,

So unless Lion has a way preventing someone from from leaving his pocket dimension you could have a Gem invasion via Lars's hair

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50382: Jun 2nd 2017 at 11:22:05 AM

[up][up]I think your replies would make more sense if you @ their user names. I don't pay attention to the post numbers. Not enough to remember most of them anyway.

edited 2nd Jun '17 11:24:06 AM by xanderiskander

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#50383: Jun 2nd 2017 at 11:25:25 AM

[up][up]Ships would probably be easier than marching soldiers one by one through a small entrance since even if it takes longer to get there crowding your forces through a tiny pinchpoint is really something to avoid if at all possible.

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#50384: Jun 2nd 2017 at 11:36:25 AM

I'm pretty sure Steven/Rose is the only one who can bring things/people in and out of the Mane Plane.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#50385: Jun 2nd 2017 at 11:43:19 AM

[up][up]But a small espionage team would still use this to gather intel and maybe some light alien abductions. I could even see Aquamarine heading the operation (she was the one that brought Lars and Steven to Homeworld after all). It still depends on whether or not they can get to Lars and if Lion is able to trap everyone in the Pocket Dimension or if the dimension ix even accessible by anyone without Rose's metaphorical blood.

edited 2nd Jun '17 11:44:57 AM by MorningStar1337

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#50386: Jun 2nd 2017 at 12:16:36 PM

They could even ambush Steven if he just happened to enter,as mentioned above it doesn't need to be a huge force

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Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50387: Jun 2nd 2017 at 12:20:06 PM

I kinda wonder if there's a production bible with a hard-and-fast timeline. I easily could see a timeline of the rebellion being one of those things that didn't come up because they just weren't going to dwell on the minutiae that much.

It's clear that they planned out a lot, but there are so many details in this series that I think it's unlikely that they had the whole thing planned. I don't know of many blatant continuity errors, but I wouldn't be surprised if they slipped up here and there.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#50389: Jun 2nd 2017 at 12:22:59 PM

Its up now from what I've seen

edited 2nd Jun '17 12:23:11 PM by Ultimatum

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#50390: Jun 2nd 2017 at 12:35:23 PM

@50377 True. That said, depending on just how sensitive the trigger is on activating the portal, it might take a good, long while before Homeworld loyalists ever found that out. And even getting in, they don't necessarily know that there's an alternate exit.

Though there is a more mundane use I can see for Lars' portal - he can effectively transport the Off Colors and hide them as needed. Lots of potential for the good guys there, too.

@50378 I've heard that here before. I can't force people to pay attention to the stuff listed openly in the forums, true. I also never worry about people getting lost in a sea of arrows or having to go back to edit my post because more posts came in while I was trying to compose mine. So I'll stick with this.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50391: Jun 2nd 2017 at 1:13:37 PM

I'm pretty sure Steven/Rose is the only one who can bring things/people in and out of the Mane Plane.
I think Pearl's the only one who tried, and Lion didn't let her touch him. So I don't think we know this for sure.

[up]Why not use quoteblocks then?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#50392: Jun 2nd 2017 at 1:17:53 PM

No to the quoteblocks!

Just refer to them by name and link to the timestamp of their post

Like this

edited 2nd Jun '17 1:18:36 PM by Ultimatum

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#50393: Jun 2nd 2017 at 1:25:17 PM

[up] At the very least that lets you go straight to the post being referenced rather than searching for a number that, depending on page activity, could be one or more pages behind

edited 2nd Jun '17 1:25:27 PM by sgamer82

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#50394: Jun 2nd 2017 at 1:59:03 PM

I sorta wonder about Lion

Steven was supposed to find Lion eventually or vice versa. But did Rose guess it would happen when it did? Would something have eventually set Lion off to go find Steven first?

Or is that what happened and the fact that Steven and the Crystal Gems out collecting the desert glass at the time just a coincidence?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50395: Jun 2nd 2017 at 2:40:13 PM

The one difference I can see is that in the Answer Blue saw the circumstances.
And the difference I see is that Blue has a personal stake in finding out the truth about Pink Diamond, so she didn't want Yellow suddenly shutting the hearing/investigation down.

I'm pretty sure Steven/Rose is the only one who can bring things/people in and out of the Mane Plane.
I think Pearl's the only one who tried, and Lion didn't let her touch him.
After she was release from the bubble, Bismuth was still trapped inside Lion's mane until Steven brought her out.

In the same episode, Steven says Lion can't access stuff in his own mane. Depending on how you view Lion spitting up that key, he might have been wrong.

But a small espionage team would still use this to gather intel and maybe some light alien abductions.
They can easily do that already. In fact, they did that already. Aquamarine managed to land her ship and hide it in Funland without anyone noticing.

Or is that what happened and the fact that Steven and the Crystal Gems out collecting the desert glass at the time just a coincidence?
Ever since "Lion 4", I've suspected Rose didn't really plan for Lion to ever meet, and that it was actually something Lion decided to do on his own.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50396: Jun 2nd 2017 at 2:40:56 PM

[up][up]After Lion 4 it seemed like it was just a coincidence, but after Pink Zombie Lars it seems like a toss-up if at least some of it was planned or not.

Doesn't seem like creating Lion was planned though.

[up]I think Lion might have at least been told to guard the sandglass and it's sand castle. Lion does seem to respond to words at least. Or perhaps he was just trained to think of it as his territory.

edited 2nd Jun '17 2:45:31 PM by xanderiskander

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#50398: Jun 2nd 2017 at 3:34:48 PM

So lars is pink reveant...is this mean steven is a pink version fo quan chi? are going to see Lars face a bear and win a oscar?

so many questions...

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50399: Jun 2nd 2017 at 3:54:57 PM

After Lion 4 it seemed like it was just a coincidence, but after Pink Zombie Lars it seems like a toss-up if at least some of it was planned or not.
I don't see how this discovery affects the likelihood that Rose meant for Lion to meet Steven.

Doesn't seem like creating Lion was planned though.
The implication that Lion had to die to become magic pretty much guarantees that.

]I think Lion might have at least been told to guard the sandglass and it's sand castle.
That just seems to be a corrupt gem, though. The ruins in the same desert, the ones from "Lion 4", seem more significant.

Or perhaps he was just trained to think of it as his territory.
The pride of lions Buddy found Rose with were also in the same desert. Lion probably lived there when he was a normal animal.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#50400: Jun 2nd 2017 at 3:57:49 PM

Why didn't Steven stomp on Lars's foot to see if he could make a scream portal?

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