TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Steven Universe

Go To

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50351: Jun 1st 2017 at 6:03:48 PM

When did she hate Lion?
"Rose's Scabbard"; I think she's gotten annoyed by him at a few other points

[up]By "second-hand" I meant "they're pink because of Rose/Steven's pinkness".

edited 1st Jun '17 6:04:48 PM by thatother1dude

Sabertooth1000000000 Sabertooth from Land of the Livid Dead Since: Jul, 2010
Sabertooth
#50352: Jun 1st 2017 at 6:25:32 PM

Pearl doesn't like Lion because Rose never told her about it. Lion is a reminder that Rose didn't tell Pearl everything after all.

3DS FC: 1719-3694-1541
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50353: Jun 1st 2017 at 6:40:00 PM

Lettuce hope that Steven doesn't spill beans about Lars to Pearl then...

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50354: Jun 1st 2017 at 6:42:24 PM

Back when "The Good Lars" revealed that "Lars" was short for "Laramie", I thought that was a bit weird: "Lars" is a usually a variant/shorted version of the name "Laurence".

So it turns out the root of the name Laramie comes from the French surname "La Ramée", which means "the leafy branch". And guess who has a tree in his hair now?

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#50355: Jun 1st 2017 at 7:20:31 PM

There was clearly a deliberate hole in Pink Diamond's security and a coverup thereof.

Not sure this is true. If you pay attention to Zircon, all she proves is that Rose Quartz was closer to Pink than she should. This clearly points to a hole in the security, but the coverup is not, in fact, needed. It would explain the discrepancies, but other things can solve that just as well. "Rose/the culprit was in disguise", for example, would explain how she got so close without needing any coverup.

Furthermore, the premise only the Diamonds could create a "coverup" is flaws from the principle. All the diamonds know are what the gems present reported. And these gems could have created the "coverup" all by themselves. If the right one(s) were working with Rose (or whoever) they could simply lie or misdirect in the reports and/or convince others to do the same. That would still hide what truly happen without need of the involvement of a higher authority.

If we approach this situation as a mystery, I think it is a mistake to just trust blindly in Zircon's conjectures. Not that we should disregard them, but we don't need to believe every hypothesis of her is true.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50356: Jun 1st 2017 at 8:59:29 PM

Storyboard revisionist Maya Petersen made a promo for "The Trial".

Petersen also clarified that the Zircon prosecutor is actually yellow, she just looks green in the courtroom's weird lighting.

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#50357: Jun 1st 2017 at 10:59:06 PM

[up] I thought she looked more yellow than green!

Jawbreakers on sale for 99¢
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50358: Jun 1st 2017 at 11:11:19 PM

"Rose/the culprit was in disguise", for example, would explain how she got so close without needing any coverup.
Rose herself could have only managed that if the whole court is as stupid as the Ruby Squad. And Rose would have to be just as stupid to try, as she was the only ambulatory gem of her kind. It would only work if another gem in the court happened to have a very similar color scheme and gemstone.

Another Crystal Gem could have acted as a disguised assassin. Homeworld blaming Rose personally sort of makes sense as a propaganda measure, but you'd think Blue Diamond would know about that. I could kind of see Rose making herself the Silent Scapegoat to protect the real killer from reprisals, though that doesn't seem like it would help that much.

Furthermore, the premise only the Diamonds could create a "coverup" is flaws from the principle.
Your use of Scare Quotes is a bit confusing, but I guessing you mean "whatever caused the discrepancies Zircon mentioned, whether or not they were intentional".
I'm getting tired. I'll get back to this tomorrow.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#50359: Jun 1st 2017 at 11:22:49 PM

"We're assuming that the flashback in "The Answer" was early on in the Rebellion, because it was just Rose and Pearl"

actually, having garnet backstory being after pink shattering make more sense: Blue is complete furious about Pink shattering and having her oportunity stole away by two gems drove her over the edge, not that this excuse her behivor but it actually add to what we see now.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#50360: Jun 2nd 2017 at 2:17:51 AM

I never assumed Lars was short for anything. "Lars" is a common name of Scandinavian origin, especially in Denmark. The country's prime minister, its most famous movie director and one of its acting exports are all named Lars.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#50361: Jun 2nd 2017 at 3:02:39 AM

I guess Pearl shattering Pink Diamond could be hilarious tongue

Jokes aside, if Yellow Diamond was guilty, you COULD interpret wanting to destroy earth as wanting to destroy all possible evidence [lol] Probably not the case though.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#50362: Jun 2nd 2017 at 3:44:45 AM

Rose herself could have only managed that if the whole court is as stupid as the Ruby Squad. And Rose would have to be just as stupid to try, as she was the only ambulatory gem of her kind. It would only work if another gem in the court happened to have a very similar color scheme and gemstone.

First, you are assuming a deliberate planned disguise would be as effective as a rushed transformation. And even if it only works if another gem in the court happened to have the same color scheme, so what? We don't know who were in the court anyway (though there is a high chance many there are pink).

Another Crystal Gem could have acted as a disguised assassin. Homeworld blaming Rose personally sort of makes sense as a propaganda measure, but you'd think Blue Diamond would know about that.

Again, you are assuming Homeworld is responsible to muddle the truth. The supposed assassin only needed to disguise as Rose to achieve the scenario I was talking about. And in that situation it actually could be just some crude disguise. If, I don't know, Pink Pearl suddenly transformed into Rose, shattered the diamond quickly and then run away, then maybe there wasn't time to give "Rose" a good look.

Btw, look, I am not really defending these quick theories of mine. There is little to know evidence about them. My point is that I think you are jumping the gun by making assumptions. There more possibilities in play than the ones you delineated.

Your use of Scare Quotes is a bit confusing, but I guessing you mean "whatever caused the discrepancies Zircon mentioned, whether or not they were intentional".

Exactly. These are not Scare Quotes. They are just quotes to show the word is not necessarely the best word for the situation.

Sedorna Since: Apr, 2014
#50363: Jun 2nd 2017 at 3:58:38 AM

[up][up]

But does Garnet joining the Crystal Gems really make sense in terms of timeline? The rebellion began 6000 years ago. Garnet said that she first formed 5750 years ago, so 250 years into the rebellion.

But Zircon said that Rose Quartz had been known as a rebel for "several hundred years" when Pink Diamond was shattered. Would a mere 250 years really be considered several hundred? A few, sure, but several? It just doesn't seem to fit.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#50364: Jun 2nd 2017 at 5:24:22 AM

[up] The difference between a few and several is so small it's borderline pedantic.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#50365: Jun 2nd 2017 at 5:42:26 AM

It's also vague...

Rogue...

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50366: Jun 2nd 2017 at 6:27:50 AM

The way I assume the timeline is supposed to be, since Pearl said it lasted for 1000 years, is rebellion started 6000 years ago, they met Garnet around 5750 years ago, they met Bismuth sometime between meeting Garnet, and shattering Pink Diamond, and the war ended around 5000 years ago after Pink Daimond's shattering

Would a mere 250 years really be considered several hundred? A few, sure, but several? It just doesn't seem to fit.
And the answer to this is simply that she was a threat for some time after she met Garnet. The war didn't end immediately after Garnet joined.

From what Zircon said, I'm thinking maybe Rose wasn't considered a threat before she met Garnet, because that would account for why she was only a threat for "several hundred years" instead of the full 1000. Maybe she wasn't considered a threat until they started using different gem fusions as a battle tactic.

edited 2nd Jun '17 6:41:31 AM by xanderiskander

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#50367: Jun 2nd 2017 at 7:41:45 AM

I put the first season up for the cats and man I should rewatch the early stuff more. Simpler timesss

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#50368: Jun 2nd 2017 at 7:53:04 AM

@50362 I don't think we can even make that level of assumption in the timeline. It's perfectly reasonable, for example, to say that Bismuth was already a Crystal Gem when Garnet first fused; she just wasn't there during Rose and Pearl's assault because she was busy with something else (a different mission, forging weapons, maybe occupying an earlier collection of guards so that Rose and Pearl could infiltrate Blue Diamond's court). We just have so little info about the rebellion that mapping out a timeline is nigh impossible.

For the prosecuting Zircon being yellow - huh. I mean, I was pretty certain that she served Yellow Diamond, but I thought she was naturally green. After all, Peridot's green and served YD back when she was loyal to Homeworld. And green zircons do develop naturally (the same way green diamonds do, in fact - exposure to uranium or other radioactive elements). Not that it matters too much either way, of course.

For the issue about what happened around Pink Diamond's shattering... thatother1dude more or less covers my thoughts. The gap in PD's security may be totally unrelated to any possible coverup of the specifics of her shattering - given that the Diamonds prefer to be seen as all-powerful, they have a personal vested interest in hiding the truth, even if they had absolutely nothing to do with the shattering. Yes, something more sinister may be at play, particularly with YD and how proactive she was with shutting down lines of conjecture about PD's shattering, but the simplest solution may still factor in, even if it isn't the whole story.

Also, as for whether or not there even is a cover-up... honestly, the best source for whether or not that's true would probably be Peridot. We don't know what the majority of Homeworld gems know or don't know about Pink Diamond's final days; particularly since they do apparently have some variety of justice system that's not just a Kangaroo Court, the Zircons presumably have greater information access than the average gem. Given that Peri was made to focus on something else completely, how much she knows about it would probably more greatly illustrate how much of a cover-up is going on.

Finally, completely on a different subject, related to the dimension in Lion's mane (and now Lars' hair) - did Steven ever think to get an oxygen tank and a breathing unit to be able to explore the area more fully? I mean, it's obviously not always practical to have that on hand, but it might help to get a better idea of just what's in there.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50369: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:15:05 AM

Finally, completely on a different subject, related to the dimension in Lion's mane (and now Lars' hair) - did Steven ever think to get an oxygen tank and a breathing unit to be able to explore the area more fully? I mean, it's obviously not always practical to have that on hand, but it might help to get a better idea of just what's in there.

Not a bad idea, although it doesn't seem like the kind of thing Steven would think of.

Amethyst probably has one in her room.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#50370: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:24:36 AM

We just have so little info about the rebellion that mapping out a timeline is nigh impossible.

Well, we can try...

Figured it'd make discussion easier if we had a map of what we know about the rebellion so far. As of now it's pretty bare-bones, but we can edit it and add to it as we learn more.

edited 2nd Jun '17 8:26:19 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#50371: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:26:54 AM

Where would Steven even get an oxygen tank from? Those things aren't usually just lying around.

ETA: [up][up] Oh, right, Amethyst might actually have one. I forgot about her hoarding.

edited 2nd Jun '17 8:27:29 AM by DeathsApprentice

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50372: Jun 2nd 2017 at 8:34:16 AM

But does Garnet joining the Crystal Gems really make sense in terms of timeline?
You don't even need to get into numbers: As I said before, if Pink Diamond was shattered before Garnet joined, then it is also happened before Bismuth was bubbled. Bismuth's dialogue would make drastically less sense if she knew Pink Diamond was shattered and Rose admitted to doing it. Particular the line that, with the Breaking Point, she "would've taken the war to Homeworld and shatter the Diamonds!" That Rose apparently go them a quarter of the way would be a glaring omission!

did Steven ever think to get an oxygen tank and a breathing unit to be able to explore the area more fully?
Doesn't seem like he needs it. The place is small, I think he already fully explored it just by holding his breath and going in and out.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#50374: Jun 2nd 2017 at 10:24:33 AM

@unnkowing: Yeah, it's quite difficult to square Blue Diamond in the Answer with Blue Diamond in the Trial, Steven's Dream, and That Will Be All if Pink Diamond's shattering happened after the Answer, unless of course Pink Diamond's death was a genuine Break the Haughty moment for Blue.

edited 2nd Jun '17 10:24:50 AM by CaptainCapsase

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#50375: Jun 2nd 2017 at 10:39:36 AM

I dunno. Seems simple with to me,. Less Break the Haughty and more trapped in grief. She's not that far removed from The Answer when Pink and Rose are taken out of the equation

edited 2nd Jun '17 10:54:25 AM by sgamer82


Total posts: 63,336
Top