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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50226: May 31st 2017 at 12:23:25 PM

Strictly? I very much doubt it, but Steven seems to be using the term "war crime" the way most people use the word "murder", without regards towards it's actual legal definition.

To most people murder is just any killing that they don't find (morally) justifiable. To Steven, killing anyone isn't justifiable, and it happened during a war, so it's a war crime.

edited 31st May '17 12:23:57 PM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50227: May 31st 2017 at 12:34:24 PM

Homeworld and the rebels likely had no treaties, so I don't think anything would really count as a war crime. By Homeworld law, everything the rebels did were regular crimes.

I think the only time Steven said "war criminal" was in "The New Lars", and that was basically a joke.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50228: May 31st 2017 at 12:35:43 PM

I miss Sugilite. I think we've seen every fusion in the series more recently than we've seen her.

Same here, man. It disappoints me that Alexandrite is the fusion we're most likely to see, even though she's way less cool than everyone else.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#50229: May 31st 2017 at 12:43:05 PM

They are saving her for when they attack Homeworld so she can cause the maximum amount of destruction while the music from attack on titian plays

edited 31st May '17 12:45:26 PM by Ultimatum

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#50230: May 31st 2017 at 12:44:44 PM

I think Pink want to do peace and make a talk to rose or maybe she went to see her sisters to discuss Rose action and rose intercept it.

I feel Rose shatter pink dimond in self defense or something when wrong.

[up]I think he said because so far Rose just murder pink rather fight with her.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#50231: May 31st 2017 at 1:02:37 PM

The Ruby brought into trial called Rosey a war criminal as well...

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#50232: May 31st 2017 at 1:07:02 PM

Usually the branding of 'war criminal' happens once the war is over and the winning side wants the punish the leaders of losing side further,since they probably view the whole rebellion as a war crime,that would make Rose a war criminal for any number of actions she committed.

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Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50233: May 31st 2017 at 1:18:17 PM

So after finally getting to see Homeworld, Steven interacting with the Diamonds and introducing so many new Gems in such a short amount of time, it made me think back to the show's earlier days, and what my expectations were back then. I'd like to know, are there any plots you wanted to see happen, or things you thought would be important that ended up not being?

It stood out to me that while we got to hear a lot about what Rose meant to Pearl and Amethyst, we never got a clear idea of what Rose and Garnet's relationship was like. I thought that might come up at some point, perhaps revealing that Garnet wasn't quite as close to her, and was more aware of her flaws than the others were. By this point, I think it's safe to say that whatever their exact relationship was, it's not important to the overall dynamic of the Crystal Gems.

I sometimes wondered if any of the artifacts the Gems gathered early in the show would come into play, but most of them haven't been seen since they were acquired.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#50234: May 31st 2017 at 1:21:28 PM

Why would they come into play? They aren't important, they were for HW installation.

edited 31st May '17 1:22:06 PM by randomness4

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#50235: May 31st 2017 at 1:23:38 PM

Until the plot calls for them obviously,then it will turn that everything that's happened has building up to the moment where they would be used.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50236: May 31st 2017 at 1:23:55 PM

I'd like to know, are there any plots you wanted to see happen, or things you thought would be important that ended up not being?
I figured that gem in the pyramid would be important given all the bizarrely detailed and specific architecture and imagery surrounding it, but it seems very unlikely at this point. Honestly, I suspect it was written as a potential Chekhov's Gun, just ones the writers decided not to use.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50237: May 31st 2017 at 1:26:56 PM

Rose was definitely important to Garnet, probably just not the same way she was for the others. Amethyst and Pearl frankly used Rose as a crutch, were as Garnet just by the nature of her situation and existence, didn't need her for that.

If they do go any deeper into that relationship (a bit unlikely not, but not impossible) I'd image it would be more like a legit friendship than nonreciprocating object of affection/maternal figure she is for Pearl and Amethyst, respectively.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50238: May 31st 2017 at 1:28:02 PM

Honestly, I suspect it was written as a potential Chekhov's Gun, just ones the writers decided not to use.

Speaking of, has anyone noticed that the show has never really done much with the Alternate History aspect of it? I wonder if that was something that was decided early on in the show's production, and the writers had intended to do something with it, but then just never did.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50239: May 31st 2017 at 1:40:12 PM

nonreciprocating object of affection... [Rose] is for Pearl.
Whether or not it was a good idea, Rose really did seem to love Pearl and Greg simultaneously.

I mean looking back to when she thought baby Sour Cream was Greg's kid, it's pretty easy to see that as her not seeing any problem in Greg doing the same.

I wonder if that was something that was decided early on in the show's production, and the writers had intended to do something with it, but then just never did.
I always figured it was more of a background thing and would remain as such.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50240: May 31st 2017 at 1:50:39 PM

I always figured it was more of a background thing and would remain as such.

Makes sense, since the scope of the show is mostly confined to Beach City. I just can't help but feel like it's a little pointless, so it almost never factors into the setting.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#50241: May 31st 2017 at 1:59:05 PM

[up][up] I'm not sure Rose actually knew how babies were made at the time.

edited 31st May '17 2:00:44 PM by DrDougsh

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50242: May 31st 2017 at 2:01:21 PM

I'm not sure how else to read the line "Did you make him?"

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50243: May 31st 2017 at 2:02:27 PM

I'm not sure how else to read the line "Did you make him?"

Clay. Planting a seed in the ground. Photosynthesis. Endless possibilities.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#50244: May 31st 2017 at 2:03:19 PM

That doesn't really indicate anything about her knowing how human reproduction works. Her species reproduces by drilling in the earth's crust. She might not even have grasped the link between having offspring and having sexual or romantic attachments.

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#50245: May 31st 2017 at 2:03:36 PM

@50221 Well, typically, killing is fair game, such as it is, during war during an explicit battle. Killing outside of a battle is usually considered a war crime. That said, beyond the fact that there's hair-splitting over what counts as a battle in Real Life (are bombing campaigns technically a battle?), there's also the fact that a completely alien culture might just define what constitutes a "war crime" as "whatever they don't like" - like a cultural version of a Self-Serving Memory. What Homeworld considers a "war crime" might have been just a standard battle/raid to our eyes.

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#50246: May 31st 2017 at 2:06:27 PM

[up]That even applied at Nuremberg.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50247: May 31st 2017 at 2:10:09 PM

She might not even have grasped the link between having offspring and having sexual or romantic attachments.
I would think she'd figure that out, considering how she talked about finding out babies were young humans and not a separate species. But then, she still didn't know that babies are capable of hurting themselves. Hmm...

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#50248: May 31st 2017 at 2:11:36 PM

The Crystal Gems are consistently shown as being remarkably clueless about humans, their culture and their basic anatomy. I don't think Rose was an exception at the time, given that it's established that she didn't take humans very seriously until Greg.

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#50249: May 31st 2017 at 2:27:14 PM

"nonreciprocating object of affection/maternal figure"

There's nothing showing that Rose doesn't love Pearl and Amethyst very, very dearly. Or that she didn't depend on them emotionally on some level.

edited 31st May '17 2:28:00 PM by TheHandle

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#50250: May 31st 2017 at 2:28:16 PM

> Of all the CG, they are the ones she saved.

Because they were only ones she could save in time

edit:I think she depended on them emotionally,but not as much as they however depended on her

edited 31st May '17 2:31:52 PM by Ultimatum

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