Also, that was a rhetorical question meant to point out the uselessness of asking what you were asking. Homeworld has no reason not to make Rose out to be an evil villain, conspiracy or not. How else do you think they'd describe the leader of the rebel uprising? Linking them framing her in that light to the public as support of a conspiracy (existing or not) makes no sense.
But that just leaves the question what would be the point of that? Even if they could pull it off, that would still be detracting much from Rose's character, and Steven's character arc as well.
edited 31st May '17 10:37:18 AM by LSBK
Likewise the Crystal Gems would be biased for Rose too, even if they didn't know anything about what happened.
edited 31st May '17 10:46:46 AM by xanderiskander
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Actually, Eyeball is the only character we know of that has said they've seen it.
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Sardonyx: "She's not actually in this episode, do we still have to pay her? Yes? Fair enough"
The thing I'm most confused about, that makes this whole thing strange is how they got around PD's Sapphire's future vision to get to her.
edited 31st May '17 10:59:15 AM by xanderiskander
Why do you keep equating seen with knowing? Do you think the Crystal Gems got all of their information about this from Homeworld and it just never came up with Rose personally, or anyone else for that matter?
And even with Eyeball, she's is very clearly, one-percent sincere with what she's saying. That doesn't mean she wasn't mistaken about something, but going "Why believe her because she's from Homeworld" doesn't make sense in this case either, with what we've seen and heard from her.
edited 31st May '17 11:03:25 AM by LSBK
> The thing I'm most confused about, that makes it farfetch'd is how they got around PD's Sapphire's future vision to get to her.
Pink Sapphire probably saw it happening but not could not believe that someone would shatter her diamond,her dilemma was probably something like .."If I tell her someone is going to shatter her and I get it wrong they'll doubt my visions and consider me defective"
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverNo one is saying that isn't a possibility. I think you said you're trying to be contrarian just to get people to think of new possibilities but that doesn't mean much if your not actively trying to introduce new possibilities and are just saying "everything is fishy. everyone lied", and that's it.
And you're also ignoring things from a storytelling standpoint, I think.
edited 31st May '17 11:08:36 AM by LSBK
I can think of one way to get around a Sapphire's future vision easily enough - take out the Sapphire. Whether this is via poofing or just keeping your actual target away from a Sapphire, PD couldn't benefit from advice that she didn't get a chance to hear.
Also, for the weapon Rose supposedly used... I might have misheard, but I'm fairly certain that Blue Diamond said "a sword" was used, not necessarily "her sword." There remains the possibility that Rose had to pick up a different sword and used it.
I can think of another sinister possibility - what if there was a duplicate version of Rose's sword, one that could shatter a gem? If Rose grabbed the wrong one, she may have shattered PD without intending to.
Based on what's been said right now, though, I'm fairly confident that the actual situation is a combination of an assault by Rose Quartz and an inside job. Someone got wind of an advance strike by Rose, and manipulated things such that Rose would have a clear shot at Pink Diamond. In the confusion, someone made sure that Rose's actions would be far more lethal than Rose had originally intended. Or maybe someone subtly shattered PD while Rose was in a position to potentially do so, fooling everyone - including Rose - into thinking that Rose was a shatterer.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.How about if Pink Daimond undermined her own security to meet with Rose because her entriage would have never allowed it under normal circumstances?
There was also someone that had a theory that the reason Steven has mind hopping powers is that Pink Diamond was mind hopping into Rose at the time.
edited 31st May '17 11:20:57 AM by xanderiskander
Sugar recently mentioned that Save the Light would include fusions. Here's one in-game.
@Pink Sapphire discussion: There may be gems that can block a Sapphire's vision or that simply have passive abilities that mean they can't be seen by future vision.
Alternately, the Sapphire/s could have been taken out beforehand, but wouldn't that have put Pink Diamond on alert and made her retreat inside her palanquin? (Unless her Fatal Flaw was pride or something and she just thought she couldn't be harmed) Something is very strange about all this for sure, even if it turns out Rose did do it.
Oissu!> How about if Pink Daimond undermined her own security to meet with Rose because her entriage would have never allowed it under normal circumstances?
I think it's plausible that being the youngest diamond she may have been naive enough to think that she could talk Rose out of her rebellion without grasping she would get shattered instead,
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverNot many I would guess. Before defecting Peridot referred to them as "absolutely flawless individuals" and took that as the reason for why they're in charge. I have to imagine that that's the dominant sentiment, and obviously the completely perfect can't be killed like we can, right?
Then Pink was shattered and well...the narrative probably changed a little, but not much, I'd imagine.

Gems are shapeshifters, I still think it would be pretty easy for a gem to just shapeshift to look like Rose and kill Pink Diamond.
Now why Rose would go along with the story is a more interesting question, but I don't doubt the Crewniverse could come up with a plausible answer.
edited 31st May '17 10:32:19 AM by PhiSat
Oissu!