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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#50076: May 30th 2017 at 12:57:23 PM

If I had to guess for Yellow's motives: Pink might've been willing to turn in support of the rebellion. Yellow got wind of it and masterminded a plan where Pink would be vulnerable to being attacked by Rose.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50077: May 30th 2017 at 12:59:10 PM

Yellow's hatred of the Earth seemed too personal to just be about hating organic life.

Considering we just found out about this even saying something like "there are two possibilities" is narrowing things down way more than you should.

Right now I'd expect White Diamond to be involved more than anything, but even that has nothing really backing it up, and is more just a guess based on narrative convention and storytelling.

edited 30th May '17 1:00:38 PM by LSBK

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50078: May 30th 2017 at 12:59:14 PM

I found those timelines frustrating because it really never added up. Bismuth you think would have called out Steven/Rose for her hypocrisy if she was already a shatterer when they were friends. I'm like "Why is this the majority opinion in the fandom?"

Yeah, I've always wondered if we were meant to assume that the shattering happened after Bismuth was bubbled, because it would've been very strange for her not to mention that while arguing with Steven.

I've never been sure if Rose killing Pink Diamond kicked off the rebellion, or if it happened at the height of the war.

It feels weird to say, but I honestly have no personal theories regarding what happened with Pink Diamond. The idea that there was more to it than what we've been told kind of came out of left field, and I'm not sure what to make of the implications.

I will say that while I can understand it being a more complicated situation than we were led to believe, I would really not be okay with it being revealed that Rose wasn't actually the one who killed Pink. I think it adds a lot of nuance to Rose, and it would make all of the time Steven's spent trying to reconcile the ways people view his mother a waste.

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#50079: May 30th 2017 at 12:59:31 PM

I just don't see how it lines up with what we've seen of her so far. YD blowing up the planet out of anger and a desire to punish that planet that took her sister away makes sense considering how YD copes. Her doing the same to destroy what's likely a tiny amount of evidence in the grand scheme of things makes far less sense.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#50080: May 30th 2017 at 1:00:53 PM

Maybe she blames the planet for making Pink Diamond begin questioning the Diamond Authority and consider supporting the Rebellion?

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#50081: May 30th 2017 at 1:03:26 PM

Or she just hates organic life. Sometimes people are just assholes.

I think Pink was probably sympathetic to the rebellion though and that got her shattered.

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Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50082: May 30th 2017 at 1:05:56 PM

Yellow Diamond certainly doesn't care for organics, but the way she acted when Peridot suggested preserving Earth really makes me think that Earth's destruction is personal for her.

I would also have trouble swallowing the idea that the sole reason she's hellbent on destroying Earth is simply to cover up a conspiracy.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#50083: May 30th 2017 at 1:06:30 PM

Yeah. If Earth'd destruction isn't personal than you think she'd take over the planet and set up more kindergartens.

edited 30th May '17 1:07:04 PM by RhymeBeat

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50084: May 30th 2017 at 1:06:38 PM

People can just be assholes, but she hasn't been shown to just be an asshole in this regard.

We're basing this off of what we've seen, while there's nothing to indicate that Pink Diamond was ever sympathetic to the rebellion. You're jumping to conclusion with that.

Edit: Even if it was just about hating organic life she wouldn't have to destroy the Earth completely. If they went back to the old plans, all life on the planet would be destroyed anyway, and they'd get valuable resources. The options weren't "go with Peridot's plans or let the Cluster awaken".

edited 30th May '17 1:11:09 PM by LSBK

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#50085: May 30th 2017 at 1:09:48 PM

I don't think Pink would be in support of the Rebellion. If one of the Diamonds (hopefully White) did betray her, Pink may have been willing to have peace talks, however.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#50086: May 30th 2017 at 1:10:50 PM

Yeah, I'm with Austin on this. It seems kinda silly that she'd be so adamant about the destruction of Earth just because of a prejudice towards organic life.

"The Cluster will be seen to completion, and the Earth will be destroyed. This is not up for debate. I've made my position final."

"But why, my diamond? Why does this matter to you so much?"

"Because organic life is icky."

"But my diamond-"

"ICKY!"

edited 30th May '17 1:12:22 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50087: May 30th 2017 at 1:11:06 PM

Mostly because, if the Crystal Gems started the war by shattering a Diamond, why did Homeworld take so long to escalate to the Corrupting Light? Eyeball even said Rose "started a rebellion and took it too far [by shattering Pink Diamond]"
In fairness the timeline is kind of long and weird already. The war apparently went on for 1000 years but Rose was "considered a threat several hundred years" before Pink Diamond was shattered. Does that mean the war went on for a couple hundred more years after she was shattered, or did they just retcon what Pearl said about the war?

And they specifically place Garnet meeting them 5750 years ago. I guess that rules out Pearl being Pink Daimond's Pearl? Because the show seems to imply Pearl was rogue a long while before that, and was building a reputation. So she wouldn't have been able to get close to Pink Diamond any easier than Rose in that case.

edited 30th May '17 1:15:24 PM by xanderiskander

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50088: May 30th 2017 at 1:14:36 PM

On another topic, I find it interesting that while Peridot took awhile to adjust to Earth life, the Famethyst and Topaz seemed very quick to embrace human style emotions. It makes me wonder if a lot of non-regular Gems would take to Earth easily, if they were given the chance.

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#50089: May 30th 2017 at 1:16:36 PM

Peridot just has a highly logical personality and didn't seem interested in non-work activities.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50090: May 30th 2017 at 1:18:12 PM

It sounded more like Topaz always had those emotions and was just forced to hide them.

By the way, I liked getting to see how the "purge" that Jasper mentioned works, with not fitting in. And good to know that Ruby and Sapphire aren't the only gems into fusing with gems of other types, they were just the only ones lucky enough to not be stuck on Homeworld, it seems.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#50091: May 30th 2017 at 1:20:19 PM

[up]This actually makes me want to see how colonies on the outskirts of the Empire function, whether they've fully embraced the Diamond doctrines or if they're a bit looser with them due to how far away from Homeworld they are.

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Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50092: May 30th 2017 at 1:21:37 PM

It sounded more like Topaz always had those emotions and was just forced to hide them.

Yeah, I just meant how expressing those emotions seemed to come naturally to them, while other characters have struggled more to break out of the typical Gem mindset.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50093: May 30th 2017 at 1:23:07 PM

With Peridot, I think that might just be because of how Peridot's are. Lapis had trust issues, but human emotions doesn't seem antonym to her like it did Peridot.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50094: May 30th 2017 at 1:26:59 PM

I think it's partly because Peridot's job makes her think more analytically, and partly influence from Yellow Diamond's court having a more "logic before feelings" motto.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50095: May 30th 2017 at 1:28:54 PM

I wonder if after Pink's death Homeworld as a whole took more of a turn in that direction. Part of the reason Lapis was willing to stay on Earth is because even if she could go back to Homeworld, it didn't really feel like home anymore.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#50096: May 30th 2017 at 1:31:45 PM

On another topic, I find it interesting that while Peridot took awhile to adjust to Earth life, the Famethyst and Topaz seemed very quick to embrace human style emotions. It makes me wonder if a lot of non-regular Gems would take to Earth easily, if they were given the chance.

Depends on the gem. From my observation, there are some classes of gems who have the liberty to express a wider range of emotions than others- like Agates and Zircons, for instance.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50097: May 30th 2017 at 1:36:30 PM

I think it's partly because Peridot's job makes her think more analytically
And seemingly didn't give her much of a social life. She never gets tired, so why would they ever let her stop working?

edited 30th May '17 1:37:06 PM by thatother1dude

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#50098: May 30th 2017 at 1:38:02 PM

I wonder if after Pink's death Homeworld as a whole took more of a turn in that direction. Part of the reason Lapis was willing to stay on Earth is because even if she could go back to Homeworld, it didn't really feel like home anymore.

I have always wondered about that moment. It's possible that Lapis was freaked out by their new technology, but the way she was acting always led me to believe that whatever Homeworld was like during the Rebellion, it's even worse now.

Depends on the gem. From my observation, there are some classes of gems who have the liberty to express a wider range of emotions than others- like Agates and Zircons, for instance.

That may very well be.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#50099: May 30th 2017 at 1:42:54 PM

I think Yellow's motive for carrying out a hit on Pink is prejudice ,It's unlikely that Pink was supporting any of rebellion,but the fact that she tolerated their existence in zoo probably made Yellow have some sort of contempt for her,plus all those resources coming from the Earth being used to create really over powered gems like the rose quartzes was in her mind incredibly wasteful,especially when they were basically caretakers for the zoo humans

Or Yellow arranged the hit because she was Just Following Orders.

edited 30th May '17 1:43:34 PM by Ultimatum

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50100: May 30th 2017 at 2:22:59 PM

You know, I said the Lion-Lars Intergalactic Hairway is gonna be used way less than it logically should for the sake of the Rule of Drama, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

Like, they could easily let Lars' friends and family visit him or the off-colors visit Earth. Wouldn't need to be even be something an episode was based around, just something known to happen.

I'm imagining a scene in the future where Lars finds out he's been gone way longer than he thought because becoming The Needless and being on an alien planet (which may have a radically different day/night cycle, not that he could tell when he's so far underground) has completely destroyed his long-term sense of time.


On a related note, I just remembered that Steven pointed out how he couldn't breathe while in Lion's mane. I wonder if that will ever get a specific reason, or if these new discoveries about Lion hint at it.

edited 30th May '17 2:24:01 PM by thatother1dude


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