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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50051: May 30th 2017 at 9:23:55 AM

Well, the Rose Quartz's powers were apparently unique to her, but I suppose that's not something you notice unless you're actually in combat.

edited 30th May '17 9:24:23 AM by LSBK

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#50052: May 30th 2017 at 9:24:03 AM

Enlong,like this?

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Court Dragon
#50053: May 30th 2017 at 9:24:48 AM

Zircon says that there were no other Rose Quartzes on Earth this whole time. She could be wrong, but that's the story at the mknebt.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#50055: May 30th 2017 at 9:27:47 AM

It's possible Yellow or White sent a Rose Quartz armed with a sword to kill Pink, but that doesn't explain the points that Zircon made about Pink's whole entourage just letting her pass and get close, or Pink getting out of her defensive palanquin to meet with said Rose Quartz.

Something fishy is going on. The last point is why I think Pink Diamond may have been ready to perform a Heel–Face Turn, otherwise she wouldn't get out for a Rose Quartz. But it doesn't explain her entourage's behaviour, or why no Sapphires told Pink that she would get shattered if she got out of her palanquin.

That's part of why I suspect Mind Control of some kind might be in play here, because as Defense Zircon pointed out, it doesn't make sense that her whole entourage witnessed it and yet did nothing to prevent it.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50056: May 30th 2017 at 9:29:45 AM

As Zircon pointed out, the whole point of the trial was to get Rose to say what happened. Whether or not Eyeball is a reliable witness, Blue Diamond doesn't find her testimony fully trustworthy.

I don't believe Pink Diamond's shattering started the war as the Defense Zircon stated Rose had been an official threat for centuries by the time the shattering happened.
Pushover Media Critic's claim is that all evidence the audience had pointed to it starting the war, and Zircon only knew otherwise because she had additional information.

I definitely disagree on that specific point (I never thought it started the war, much less saw a consensus that it did), but they are right that Zircon's conclusion involved information the audience didn't have—mostly that Pink Diamond's shattering was more of an assassination than the end of a mass military offensive.

Well, the Rose Quartz's powers were apparently unique to her, but I suppose that's not something you notice unless you're actually in combat.
Eyeball may have just discounted the others because they had been imprisoned since the war started.

edited 30th May '17 9:31:33 AM by thatother1dude

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#50057: May 30th 2017 at 9:32:31 AM

Yes, that video was exactly what I wanted. Thank you

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50058: May 30th 2017 at 9:32:39 AM

[up][up]Yeah, I thought about that after I posted it. Still, either way Rose Quartz do seem to have a weird mishmash of powers, that I'd sort of like an explanation of why. Don't expect one, but it would be nice.

edited 30th May '17 9:32:59 AM by LSBK

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#50059: May 30th 2017 at 11:21:46 AM

Jasper was made during the rebellion itself, wasn't she? As a last ditch effort for more troops, in fact. I doubt she'd take Pink Diamond's demise so prsonally if she never got the chance to, you know, serve her, so it's obvious to me that Pink was shattered closer to the end of the war.

edited 30th May '17 11:23:17 AM by SalFishFin

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#50060: May 30th 2017 at 11:48:51 AM

I assumed Pink was shattered near the end of the war, too. Her being shattered at the beginning of the war doesn't make much sense to me.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50061: May 30th 2017 at 11:56:31 AM

Mostly because, if the Crystal Gems started the war by shattering a Diamond, why did Homeworld take so long to escalate to the Corrupting Light? Eyeball even said Rose "started a rebellion and took it too far [by shattering Pink Diamond]".

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#50062: May 30th 2017 at 12:21:49 PM

I dunno, I just heard a lot more people talking about this like Rose shattering Pink was the big kick-off point of the war before Wanted aired.

From people expressing sympathy for Jasper for having a former friend shatter their leader, to people talking about how Blue Diamond in The Answer might have been mourning Pink's death, to people thinking that Rose was being a huge hypocrite when she was telling Bismuth not to kill if she had already killed Pink.

It certainly seemed like the majority opinion.

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#50063: May 30th 2017 at 12:25:18 PM

Speaking of Jasper, if corruption can be cured then a starting point for a redemption could be that Rose Quartz did not in fact shatter Pink Diamond.

Heavens have mercy for who really did though.

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#50064: May 30th 2017 at 12:28:45 PM

Well, we don't know for a fact that Rose Quartz didn't shatter Pink Diamond.

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#50065: May 30th 2017 at 12:30:19 PM

I think the one thing we can take away from the end of Zircon's defense is that there's still a lot we don't know about the circumstances of the shattering.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#50066: May 30th 2017 at 12:31:58 PM

[up][up]This is true, but it definitely seems suspect now.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50067: May 30th 2017 at 12:37:09 PM

If it really does turn out that Rose didn't do it, and they try and make that the point for redemption for Jasper, that would just be another plot thread that's cheapened.

edited 30th May '17 12:37:59 PM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50068: May 30th 2017 at 12:41:44 PM

people expressing sympathy for Jasper for having a former friend shatter their leader
Jasper explicitly never met Rose—in her very first appearance, she specifies that all her knowledge of Rose is second-hand.

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#50069: May 30th 2017 at 12:44:49 PM

[up][up]I don't know if it would be so much a redemption as an Enemy Mine situation, Jasper just seems to want bloody revenge on whoever killed Pink Diamond.

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#50070: May 30th 2017 at 12:45:23 PM

I found those timelines frustrating because it really never added up. Bismuth you think would have called out Steven/Rose for her hypocrisy if she was already a shatterer when they were friends. I'm like "Why is this the majority opinion in the fandom?"

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#50071: May 30th 2017 at 12:48:53 PM

I think it'd be more along the lines of Yellow Diamond having a hand in assisting with the death of Pink Diamond by allowing Rose the opening to attack. Rose would be the one behind it, but Yellow would have pulled strings in order to do so.

Either way, if Jasper gets healed and finds out Yellow Diamond had a hand in this, she'd be pissed but I don't think she'd be on the Crystal Gems' side. Rose still had a hand in it, after all.

edited 30th May '17 12:49:49 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#50072: May 30th 2017 at 12:52:59 PM

[up] My question is, what possible motive would Yellow Diamond have for orchestrating Pink Diamond's shattering?

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#50073: May 30th 2017 at 12:54:08 PM

I'm almost certain that White Diamond was involved. Her lack of precense in the story + the fact that YD being the culprit seems to at odds with her previous behavior.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50074: May 30th 2017 at 12:54:25 PM

[up]"almost certain" is an enormous leap.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#50075: May 30th 2017 at 12:55:21 PM

[up][up][up]Pink was starting to question the Diamond Authority. Either that or Yellow really is a monster who just hated organic life so much she wanted to wipe it out by any means necessary, and shattering a fellow Diamond would cause so much horror that the other Diamonds would agree to use their corrupting ray, which she thought would kill off all Terran life.

I think option 1 is more likely, but 2 could be possible.

edited 30th May '17 12:55:29 PM by PhiSat

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