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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50026: May 30th 2017 at 8:57:08 AM

[up][up][up]Wait we saw Blue do that when? If you're talking about Steven crying that just seems to happen, when he's in proximity of her regardless. She didn't make him cry with her mind any of the other times.

Although on the memory changing powers. Steven can apparently hop into people's minds, so it wouldn't be farfetched for Rose to have memory modifying powers also.

edited 30th May '17 8:58:23 AM by xanderiskander

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#50027: May 30th 2017 at 8:57:18 AM

I like the theory that Yellow Diamond knows who really killed Pink Diamond, and it was White Diamond. Since it's implied White Diamond is the eldest of them all, Yellow Diamond had to comply with covering everything thing up to keep up a facade that Rose Quartz did it. She has had that guilt for eons, and can't bear for Blue Diamond to know.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#50028: May 30th 2017 at 8:57:36 AM

[up][up][up]Eyeball also believed Amethyst was Jasper despite not even being the same colour. I don't think she's a reliable witness.

edited 30th May '17 8:57:43 AM by PhiSat

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50029: May 30th 2017 at 8:57:56 AM

the fact that Yellow comes off as overtly suspicious is what should make you doubt she did it.
It doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't involved at all, though.
My thoughts exactly. Zircon's was definitely onto something, but a theory that's spoken allowed is rarely entirely right.

Either Yellow Diamond wasn't involved, or she was, but in a way very different than Zircon expects.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#50030: May 30th 2017 at 8:59:17 AM

[up][up][up] Blue Diamond does it during the trial.

edited 30th May '17 8:59:27 AM by PhiSat

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50031: May 30th 2017 at 8:59:30 AM

[up][up][up]You assume Eyeball has actually seen Jasper in person before. Also, the two situations aren't treated at all the same.

edited 30th May '17 9:00:33 AM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#50032: May 30th 2017 at 9:00:53 AM

Well, Eyeball knew what color Jasper was supposed to be, she just fell for the stupid explanation that Earth's sun made her skin change from orange to purple.

edited 30th May '17 9:01:12 AM by thatother1dude

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50033: May 30th 2017 at 9:00:55 AM

[up][up][up]I've watched the trial, and I don't remember what you're talking about at all.

edited 30th May '17 9:01:08 AM by xanderiskander

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#50034: May 30th 2017 at 9:01:07 AM

[up][up]The Rubies knew Jasper was supposed to be orange but were fooled by Blatant Lies that the sun somehow burned her and turned her purple. If the Rubies believed that I have no doubt they'd be fooled by an "off colour" Rose Quartz.

[up] It's after Blue Diamond says that Pink was killed by a sword, she sinks into her chair and lets out a blue energy wave that makes everyone in the vicinity cry, including Yellow Diamond.

edited 30th May '17 9:02:15 AM by PhiSat

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#50035: May 30th 2017 at 9:02:34 AM

Eyeball attested that she saw Rose kill Pink Diamond in an earlier episode when Blue Diamond was nowhere near her.

Yes, but the official report (which would assuredly have been built from things such as Eyeball's testimony) is that she used a sword to do it. And this is significant for the viewer, as we know that the sword Rose used most often was designed to be nonlethal.

Which, I should reiterate, does not mean she isn't responsible for Pink's death, even if it turns out that what the witnesses saw wasn't the murder weapon. It would just mean that someone else is also responsible, and/or that the death happened somewhere other than the palanquin.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#50036: May 30th 2017 at 9:03:10 AM

Even ignoring eyewitness accounts, Pearl and Garnet corroborated the story of Rose shattering Pink Diamond. This strongly implies that Rose herself acknowledged having done it, or at least didn't deny it. Why would Rose intentionally incriminate herself in a way designed to piss off the Diamonds into a murderous rage?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#50037: May 30th 2017 at 9:03:24 AM

All of this still leaves the question of how the Crystal Gems (well, Pearl and Garnet, really) think things went down. Hopefully Steven actually questions them about the things Zircon brought up.

Edit: And also bring up the bit about the sword.

edited 30th May '17 9:05:34 AM by LSBK

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#50038: May 30th 2017 at 9:05:52 AM

[up][up]We don't know yet, but we know Rose kept a lot from the other Crystal Gems. My thought right now is that she made some kind of deal to take the blame and was double crossed by the Diamonds, but it's too soon to tell what her motivations were at this point.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50039: May 30th 2017 at 9:06:00 AM

Yes, but the official report (which would assuredly have been built from things such as Eyeball's testimony) is that she used a sword to do it. And this is significant for the viewer, as we know that the sword Rose used most often was designed to be nonlethal.
wild mass guessRose's sword actually just poofed Pink Diamond, and nobody bothered to check if she was really shattered, because nobody had ever thought poofing a Diamond was possible before?wild mass guess

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#50040: May 30th 2017 at 9:06:50 AM

[up]Then why didn't she reform?

wild mass guessUnless she did, and is being held captive somewhere because it suits Yellow or White Diamond's narrative about the rebellion better if she's dead...wild mass guess

edited 30th May '17 9:07:52 AM by PhiSat

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#50041: May 30th 2017 at 9:07:21 AM

Actually, I have a minor complaint with this reveal: we weren't given the opportunity to figure it out for ourselves. Before this event, there were two camps on how the timeline of this event took place:

A. Rose shattering Pink started the war.

B. Rose shattering Pink ended the war and provoked the Godzilla Threshold of Corruption.

Both of these were thrown around as possibilities, but A was more widely accepted, specifically because of the inconsistencies in B brought up by Zircon. Given Steven's description it's clear that the show wanted us to believe B was the case since he name-dropped the Breaking Point which was made late into the war.

If the Crystal Gems, Jasper, Eyeball, or the Diamonds had been more explicit in when Pink's shattering took place relative to the war, than maybe Rose having help in performing the act would've been an already existent theory by the time the reveal happened.

As it is, we could've had just enough foreshadowing to theorize about it beforehand, but because of the Crewniverse's insistence on keeping things vague, we got a great reveal that came out of nowhere and contradicted the prevailing headcanon's logic.

edited 30th May '17 9:11:41 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#50042: May 30th 2017 at 9:08:42 AM

My first guess for why she'd hide the truth would be to protect whoever who co-conspirator was. Possibly she considered that gem's safety more important than her own, and was ready to take the fall to ensure their safety, since she was already a criminal who couldn't return.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#50043: May 30th 2017 at 9:10:51 AM

Why would she keep doing that thousands of year after the war when nobody was there to spill the beans but Pearl, Garnet and Amethyst?

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#50044: May 30th 2017 at 9:11:33 AM

wild mass guessPink Diamond had a Heel Realization or was warming up to organic life, but got Heel Face Door Slammed by either Yellow or White Diamond, who proceeded to blame it on Rose Quartz.wild mass guess

Still unclear as to why Rose would take the blame but it's the start of a theory.

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#50045: May 30th 2017 at 9:16:55 AM

[up][up]Rose has proven to be someone who kept secrets, even from people she really should be able to trust with everything. Bismuth's silent imprisonment is proof enough of that. Maybe she was afraid that something would be watching if she ever revealed it. Maybe she thought that the info could bring danger down on her friends. Maybe she was afraid of her long-lived enemies returning and learning about it after she relaxed. Maybe she thought she didn't deserve to have the truth come out and be seen as anything less than a killer. There could be any number of personal rationalizations for it. If what I suggested is what happened, her reasons are her own, until we learn more about them.

edited 30th May '17 9:17:16 AM by Enlong

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50046: May 30th 2017 at 9:17:42 AM

Still unclear as to why Rose would take the blame but it's the start of a theory.
wild mass guessRose takes the blame, because someone who's strong enough to kill a Diamond looks like they have a fighting chance, and can rally gems around her.wild mass guess

edited 30th May '17 9:18:11 AM by xanderiskander

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#50047: May 30th 2017 at 9:18:25 AM

I don't believe Pink Diamond's shattering started the war as the Defense Zircon stated Rose had been an official threat for centuries by the time the shattering happened.

If Rose is still the culprit, but had help, I wonder who instigated the alliance. Rose? Or the other party?

edited 30th May '17 9:20:02 AM by sgamer82

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#50048: May 30th 2017 at 9:18:44 AM

To think the series started as just mainly a Slice of Life show with occasional dips into fighting monsters and interacting with weird stuff. Now we are just getting into a deep conspiracy involving Homeworld, and it is really digging into something deep.

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#50049: May 30th 2017 at 9:20:24 AM

BTW, I want a parody video that overlays Zircon's defense with music from the Ace Attorney games.

And has her be poofed with the sound effect of taking a penalty from the judge.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#50050: May 30th 2017 at 9:21:38 AM

I've also kind of wondered about if multiple Rose Quartzes were playing leader of the Crystal gems sometimes. I don't really have any real evidence, or like the idea very much. It's just that if there were, nobody would be able to tell the difference.

That and it allows Steven to have a Real Rose Quartz to confront about the past since his mom is dead.

edited 30th May '17 9:24:02 AM by xanderiskander


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