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firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#49876: May 29th 2017 at 5:43:18 PM

As people said, White Diamond has her own mural which points to her being her own person and not just a fusion. Also the new twist in this new bomb shows that there might be a conspiracy going on. I have to say that Steven Universe really has upped up it's writing, and it makes me wish that children's television could get more respect among their adult counterparts.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#49877: May 29th 2017 at 5:43:20 PM

[up][up]I kind of like that idea. Mainly because it gives Rose a deeper reason to have unique powers other Rose Quartzes don't have than "she was just born really special by accident".

[up] Why couldn't the mural just represent all they've conquered?

edited 29th May '17 5:44:18 PM by xanderiskander

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#49878: May 29th 2017 at 5:46:38 PM

If White Diamond WAS the one who shattered Pink Diamond, what are her reasons? Why frame Rose?

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#49879: May 29th 2017 at 5:48:20 PM

I think the answers will eventually come to us all. wink

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#49880: May 29th 2017 at 5:49:23 PM

We know nothing about WD. That's why I find her most suspicious here. We don't know who she is, or what she's like. There may have been serious disagreements between PD and WD. As for framing Rose? She's an easy target for a framejob like this. The leader of a Gem war with perfect motivation for shattering her? It doesn't take much for Homeworld to believe that Rose did it.

There's a whole lot of mystery surrounding this. I hope the writers can resolve it well.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49881: May 29th 2017 at 5:49:37 PM

Going back to the issue of why Steven wouldn't explain what he actually is Rose's half-human son, there are two issues:

  1. The point of Steven's Heroic Sacrifice is to close to book on Homeworld's case on Pink Diamond. He wants them to think he's Rose so they'll sacrifice their scapegoat and leave the Earth alone
  2. There are reasons Steven would want to avoid them finding out his real existence. "They might vivisect him" is one reason to shut up about it, and I could get grosser if you'd like to hear it.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49882: May 29th 2017 at 5:50:34 PM

[up]x4 Why frame Rose has a fairly obvious possible answer - to put the blame on a known criminal.

As to why she'd do it...maybe she was worried that the Rebellion might gain traction in other territories, and needed a rallying point against it. Hell, maybe Pink was starting to feel sympathetic towards it - perhaps she was willing to negotiate with Rose.

(I should mention that these are all plausible motives for Yellow as well)

edited 29th May '17 5:51:12 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#49883: May 29th 2017 at 5:51:35 PM

A thought occurred to me earlier. Given her absence in this episode, I think it's a safe bet that White Diamond isn't involved in the day-to-day affairs of the Gempire. What if she's immobilized in some way? For example, she's fused to a mountain, or there was some incident that caused her to be partially shattered. I'm reminded of science fiction societies that are ruled by hive minds, but they can't actually go anywhere because they're just brains in a vat. What if there's a similar situation with White Diamond? Perhaps she's retired from managing Gem affairs, and Yee Dee and Bee Dee only seek her out when they need her counsel.

edited 29th May '17 5:52:30 PM by Austin

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49884: May 29th 2017 at 5:52:47 PM

I'd again like to draw attention to the giant, White Diamond-shaped building scene in the title cards of the latter two episodes.

Oh God! Natural light!
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#49885: May 29th 2017 at 5:53:59 PM

I don't know why Steven used his tears to heal instead of his spit.

Because Steven's first inclination there wasn't to try and heal Lars because he thought he was dead.

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#49886: May 29th 2017 at 5:54:25 PM

Well I've got the chance to watch it now.

  • Eyeball!

  • Zircon is great.

  • Oooh conspiracy time. Not sure how to feel about this.

  • Zircon continues to be great.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49887: May 29th 2017 at 5:54:49 PM

I'd again like to draw attention to the giant, White Diamond-shaped building scene in the title cards of the latter two episodes.
It's weird that you and are I the only ones who brought that up.

Am the only one considering that that might be White Diamond?

EDIT: Nope, just read Austin's post.

edited 29th May '17 5:55:40 PM by thatother1dude

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#49888: May 29th 2017 at 5:55:28 PM

Also, I have a feeling that Pink Diamond's former Gems are being spoonfed lies. One can only imagine their reactions that Rose Quartz was just an Unwitting Pawn to their Diamonds TRUE murderer.

edited 29th May '17 6:00:20 PM by superboy313

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#49889: May 29th 2017 at 5:55:50 PM

[up][up] You are not, I assure you. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw it.

edited 29th May '17 5:56:30 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#49890: May 29th 2017 at 5:59:14 PM

Oh my god these episodes are so good.

Where were these for the last few months.

They're so amazing.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#49891: May 29th 2017 at 6:00:16 PM

Rose really did shatter Pink Diamond, but the surrounding events are more complicated than "Rose went Straight for the Commander and succeeded".

Yeah, I use "cheating" because part of Rose's story is "good person driven to extremism" and War Is Hell. She saved Earth, but only by fighting other Gems, including Centipeetle and the Famethysts. Rose tried to do the right thing, and it lead to so much destruction and death for her people. But if she stopped, it would lead to Earth's demise.

The Pink Diamond situation, as we know it, sums up Rose's story. Earth and her army were on the line, so Rose went straight to the evil overlord and killed her, in spite of all she believed in. But instead of fixing everything, it only lead to the mass corruption of every Gem on Earth, the loss of all her friends, and the Diamonds planting a bomb composed of said friends in the Earth, which would have made all of Rose's struggles pointless. Even if you do the moral and just thing, it can still cause suffering and misery. Finding out that Rose didn't compromise her ideals, and it was all the Diamonds' doing all along, takes that away.

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#49892: May 29th 2017 at 6:00:51 PM

Yeah I'm really hoping it doesn't turn out Rose is innocent.

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#49893: May 29th 2017 at 6:03:52 PM

In that case, maybe one of the Diamonds manipulated Rose into shattering Pink Diamond.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#49894: May 29th 2017 at 6:04:02 PM

I didn't notice the White Diamond building, but I wouldn't put it past the writers to portray her that way.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#49895: May 29th 2017 at 6:04:45 PM

Hey, is it known for sure that the Zircons are voiced by Amy Sedaris?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#49896: May 29th 2017 at 6:05:18 PM

Honestly, I'm ambivalent towards whether Rose did it or not. It was supposedly done with a sword according to Blue Diamond, and Rose's sword can't cut gems. That might mean it was actually Pearl and Rose took the fall for it.

edited 29th May '17 6:08:42 PM by CaptainCapsase

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#49897: May 29th 2017 at 6:05:22 PM

Lars is being really cool and I don't know how to deal.

I still wish Connie came along though.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49898: May 29th 2017 at 6:05:27 PM

In that case, maybe one of the Diamonds manipulated Rose into shattering Pink Diamond.
Think of how depressing it would be if Rose's assumption that they had to shatter Pink Diamond was wrong, but she was tricked into thinking it was right.

Hey, is it known for sure that the Zircons are voiced by Amy Sedaris?
Correct. Saw the credits myself.

edited 29th May '17 6:06:10 PM by thatother1dude

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#49899: May 29th 2017 at 6:08:21 PM

[up]Apparently one of Amy Sedaris' roles was Foxy Loxy from Chicken Little. (*ugh*)

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#49900: May 29th 2017 at 6:10:03 PM

I mostly know her as Princess Carolyn.


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