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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#49576: May 23rd 2017 at 8:55:19 AM

I'm not suggesting that Garnet straight-up made things up. But it is possible that through Broad Strokes she made Blue Diamond more of a simple villain than she might have come off in reality. Garnet was telling Steven about her origin, which she views as intensely romantic, so it's not unbelievable to me that she wouldn't want to distract from the romance by focusing on the nuances of Blue Diamond.
What can she be unreliable about then? The only parts BD played in that story, were asking Sapphire what she saw with her future vision, and ordering Ruby to be shattered after they fused. The only way Garnet can be unreliable in that scenario is if she lied about her wanting Ruby to be executed, or if she was lying about what motivated it. If you don't think Garnet lied, then the question is kind of moot. That's villainous enough by itself, and there's not really any way I can think of for that action to be nuanced.

edited 23rd May '17 9:38:07 AM by xanderiskander

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#49577: May 23rd 2017 at 9:50:11 AM

[up][up][up] What description? You mean Garnet's statement that Pink Diamond needed to die "for me to exist"? Because that doesn't indicate anything about whether it happened before or after Garnet's creation. I'd say it makes more sense for it to be before, because otherwise there doesn't seem to be much reason for Blue to be there in the first place.

Anyway, I'm not trying to whitewash Blue Diamond at all or argue that she isn't a bad guy or try to argue she had some justified reason for ordering Sapphire's death. I just don't think Garnet's story provides any proof that she's a cold, unfeeling monster either, considering that it's a stylized bedtime story where Garnet herself plays the part of Blue Diamond.

edited 23rd May '17 9:50:26 AM by DrDougsh

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#49578: May 23rd 2017 at 9:59:17 AM
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#49579: May 23rd 2017 at 10:08:31 AM

[up][up] I believe it's possible that she was more cruel and overtly malicious before Pink Diamond's shattering and now her grieving state makes her somewhat nicer. Also what I meant by Garnet's description is that her tone sounded like she witnessed the event herself or at least was around when it happened.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#49580: May 23rd 2017 at 10:11:34 AM

What if we had an episode where Steven accidentally (or intentionally) unpoofs one of the bubbled Rose Quartzes?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49581: May 23rd 2017 at 10:26:43 AM

[up][up]We have no reason to believe that, though. Just look at how her demeanor changes as soon as Agate tells her about Sapphire. That Blue is capable of being cordial does not somehow means she's become a better person, because we saw she was capable of the same thing in the original flashback.

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#49582: May 23rd 2017 at 10:28:29 AM

I think learning all that of their kind were imprisoned because of one them shattered their own diamond in a 1000 year rebellion would be a really hard to thing accept

It would probably on a sad note when they have to bubble them [up][up]

edited 23rd May '17 10:28:53 AM by Ultimatum

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#49583: May 23rd 2017 at 10:30:56 AM

@49576 I personally think that's more likely than not. That seems like such an obvious source for drama, angst, and character development that I'd bet on it.

Of course, that's at the Zoo, and I thought that Aquamarine was taking Steven to Homeworld, so I don't think it's coming up just yet.

Also, if you go with the theory that the Famethyst is ripe to make a collective Mook–Face Turn and join the Crystal Gems, I could easily see them releasing all of the Rose Quartzes (if you're about to cut bait and are looking for as much help as possible, asking the group that was imprisoned for things they didn't do isn't the worst idea).

Huh... completely different thing that I just thought of... Rose was always shown with pretty much the same form, right? All of the other gems have had various tweaks to their outfits, but Rose always had that particular dress with the star-shaped window on her navel. I kinda wonder why she never tweaked her look like the others did.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49584: May 23rd 2017 at 10:33:04 AM

What it comes down for me is that if they want to do a separate redemption vs. evil thing with the Diamonds fine. But the reasoning people are going for with hit happening, just comes off as very shallow and without nuances. And considering nuanced characters is one of this show's strongest points, that's very strange to me.

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#49585: May 23rd 2017 at 10:51:20 AM

[up][up] I always thought she just never poofed in between first reforming with the dress and having Steven.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#49586: May 23rd 2017 at 10:55:45 AM

[up][up][up][up] I said somewhat nicer, the Affably Evil trope exits for a reason.

edited 23rd May '17 10:56:22 AM by Kaiseror

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49587: May 23rd 2017 at 10:59:18 AM

[up]And I said we have no reason to believe she is somewhat nicer.

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#49588: May 23rd 2017 at 12:58:44 PM

She was nice enough to Greg when they spoke,kind even.or perhaps she was simply be diplomatic to what she regarded as a lesser species

Then she kidnapped him,not nice,rude.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49589: May 23rd 2017 at 1:02:52 PM

My point is there's no reason to assume that Blue Diamond couldn't speak cordially, or even nicely, to people before Pink was shattered. Given that Blue and her court are supposed to be diplomats that seems very unlikely.

edited 23rd May '17 1:03:07 PM by LSBK

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#49590: May 23rd 2017 at 1:11:14 PM

OK,i get what your saying now,and I agree,Pink Diamond's death didn't suddenly make her nicer,diplomats are supposed to act nice and not antagonistic otherwise they they wouldn't be very diplomatic

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49591: May 23rd 2017 at 1:12:55 PM

I mean, obviously Pink's death probably changed Blue, I just don't think it should necessarily be assumed for the better. Maybe it did, but we don't really have enough to argue that either way.

edited 23rd May '17 1:14:33 PM by LSBK

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#49592: May 23rd 2017 at 1:24:52 PM

[up][up] The Gem Homeworld views other species as lesser to their own and obviously have no qualms ransacking inhabited planets so why would they even have diplomats?

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#49593: May 23rd 2017 at 1:29:46 PM

Maybe so they can at least 'Talk' without sending in ground troops?

Or

The diplomatic talks are largely between high ranking gems from different courts,and the diplomats ensure they get along

edited 23rd May '17 1:30:42 PM by Ultimatum

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49594: May 23rd 2017 at 1:30:35 PM

[up][up]And yet we know they do. Really shouldn't assume how they deal with Earth and the primitive humans from 5,000 years ago mirrors who they deal with potentially much more advanced life else where.

edited 23rd May '17 1:30:53 PM by LSBK

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#49596: May 23rd 2017 at 3:48:31 PM

Taller! Stevonnie would be like fifty feet tall.

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#49597: May 23rd 2017 at 4:11:46 PM

All he wants to do, is see him turn into, a giant non-binary individual, giant non-binary indiviiiiiiiidual

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#49598: May 23rd 2017 at 4:14:15 PM

You could've just said 'a giant person'.

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#49599: May 23rd 2017 at 4:18:06 PM

It's easier for timing...

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#49600: May 23rd 2017 at 4:21:04 PM

Fusion bumpers
Apparently they aired back in February. I'm surprised they were posted here before.

[up][up]And more accurate. Stevonnie's gender identity is unknown (to us). That's not necessarily the same as non-binary.


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