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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#49551: May 22nd 2017 at 4:57:57 PM

Im extemely sorry for the off topic but that guy on your Avatar looks STYLISH, Death's Apprentice!

Where is he from?

On topic: I really hope the Status Quo is shaken a lot by the end of Wanted.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49552: May 22nd 2017 at 4:57:57 PM

I still wonder why Blue was even there. I assume that whole affair took place before Pink was shattered because the rebellion still seemed pretty new and low in numbers, and Blue wasn't, well, a trainwreck yet.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#49553: May 22nd 2017 at 5:01:29 PM

I don't feel its black and white

Yellow Diamond is one in charge of their military,the one that has conquered lots of planets including Earth,and the same one obsessed with pumping out warrior gems non stop while completely draining the planets of life,she is probably the main reason why they have such a large empire in the first place,

[up] Blue was probably there to oversee the colony,since it was fairly new

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#49554: May 22nd 2017 at 5:13:41 PM

Earth would've been PD's first colony...none of her Quartz (besides the Roses) hatched out the ground yet.

According to the Jasper gem...the time they did come out was during the war?

edited 22nd May '17 5:17:22 PM by randomness4

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49555: May 22nd 2017 at 5:18:04 PM

Yellow Diamond is one in charge of their military
That's conjecture. All the gems we knew worked for Pink Diamond (the quartzes grown on Earth, Eyeball) were military except maybe the Rose Quartzes.

Im extemely sorry for the off topic but that guy on your Avatar looks STYLISH, Death's Apprentice! Where is he from?
It's from this Arrow/Supergirl fanart (that character is female).

edited 22nd May '17 5:21:21 PM by thatother1dude

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#49556: May 22nd 2017 at 5:27:36 PM

I did a search and Peridot did say that Yellow was in charge of Homeworld's military,so it's not entirely conjecture

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49557: May 22nd 2017 at 5:30:42 PM

You're probably thinking of this line from "Hit the Diamond".

Peridot: I disobeyed a direct order from Yellow Diamond, and I called her a clod... to her face.
Pearl: Oh, honestly, you call everyone a clod.
Peridot: Yes, but not everyone has command over all the armies of Homeworld waiting for the word to shatter me!
But she doesn't say Yellow Diamond has sole command over all their armies.

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#49558: May 22nd 2017 at 5:31:18 PM
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#49559: May 22nd 2017 at 5:32:05 PM

The point is that command could be joint/shared

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#49560: May 22nd 2017 at 5:35:12 PM

It's entirely possible that Blue Diamond's portrayal in Garnet's narrative should be taken with a grain of salt. I mean, we are entirely seeing Garnet's depiction of her, right down to Garnet doing her voice. And Garnet is just a wee bit self-idealising, so it wouldn't strike me as that out-of-character for her to make things out to be more black and white than they are.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#49561: May 22nd 2017 at 5:39:26 PM

Garnet: I like me.

edited 22nd May '17 5:39:48 PM by sgamer82

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49562: May 22nd 2017 at 5:41:43 PM

[up][up]I really dislike that excuse. Yes, things obviously aren't exactly the same, but that does not mean, that "Garnet/Ruby/Sapphire just misheard what Blue said" is actually a thing. There is nothing implying that we were supposed to take that part as anything but fact and it fits with other things we've seen. It reeks of trying to whitewash Blue Diamond.

edited 22nd May '17 5:46:35 PM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#49563: May 22nd 2017 at 5:47:59 PM

Unreliable Narrator isn't the kind of twist I'd peg to apply to Garnet. Typically the kind of person narrating is either usually untrustworthy to start with, a kid who's not old enough to understand what's going on, someone crazy, someone joking / part of a gag, or more generally a character in a murder mystery.

edited 22nd May '17 6:00:46 PM by xanderiskander

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#49564: May 22nd 2017 at 6:18:14 PM

[up] -12 I think Blue and maybe Yellow Diamond steped in to help Pink Diamond when the rebellion started getting to much for her to handle alone.

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#49566: May 22nd 2017 at 6:22:34 PM

Wouldn't say painfully but egads, a lot of those do need answers.

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#49567: May 22nd 2017 at 6:29:55 PM

Yeah that'd be a fun episode

Call it Q and A and just have it be Steven and the Gems talking on the couch for a straight eleven minutes with no scene breaks

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49568: May 22nd 2017 at 10:26:37 PM

So I decided "Fuck it", I'll just give a semi-individualized reply to every one of those that are actual questions looking for in-universe knowledge, and organize by shared answer.

    No one Steven might ask could be expected to know the answer, so asking onscreen would be a waste of time 
  • "What was up with the orb in the space station?": Steven did ask about that ("What's this room?"), and no one seemed to know.
  • "What is Lion's origin?"

    Minutiae 
  • "Can Pearl transform?"
  • "Why does the middle of the temple look like a heart?": Unless the temple being alive is plot critical in some point in the future, you may as well ask why it breaks many other kinds of laws of physics. It seems to just be a magical thing where any explanation would only be warranted if and when it becomes plot relevant.
  • "Was Pearl really the first Crystal Gem besides Rose?"
  • "Are we ever going to practice transforming again?": No one but Amethyst seems to use transformation for practical use anyway.
  • All the questions about the Crystal Gems' specific fusions: As interesting as they are, there is no practical gain to showing Steven these fusions, so they're not going to fuse just to show him. He's also not going to get any satisfaction from just getting a name or a description. Steven may well just be waiting until he can actually see them so it'll be a surprise for him along with the audience.
  • "What happens if two gems fuse when their gems are in the same place?": Burnett said the gemstones would both move asides from their usual spot, but it's just minor a cosmetic thing anyway.
  • "How do two gems that fused for the first time know their name?"
  • "Whatever happened to the cool weapons Bismuth made?"
  • "Are we named after gems on Earth, or are the gems on Earth named after us?"/"If gems have their own language then why do Homeworld gems speak English?": Nothing would make Aliens Speaking English in this show make sense, any attempt would just strain suspension of disbelief by drawing attention to the issue. Even bringing it up the small way they did in "Monster Reunion" was questionable.
  • "Where are Buck's mom/Jenny's mom/Sadie's dad?": You may as well asks stuff like "Why are so many of the human characters only children?"

    There is a known, often obvious answer 
  • "Who created the Temple": The Crystal Gems did some time after the war, hence there's a room for Amethyst. How they did so is another "It's magic, they should only explain it if it's plot relevant."
  • "Did Rose have any humans before Greg.": Pearl specifically mentioned in "Mr. Greg" that Rose had human lovers before Greg, he was just the first one she actually treated as a person.
  • "What's up with the gem-powered objects.": I assumed they're usually supposed to be using broken gems, but looking back there don't seem to be many gem-powered objects but the Moon Goddess Statue and Shooting Star. The other ones may just be made of non-living gemstone, which the Crystal Gems could have mistaken Lapis's gem to be.
  • "Why didn't Rose try to heal any more corrupted gems?": She did. It didn't work. Why it didn't work is another question, but not one any of them know.
  • "Are there any other Kindergartens?": There are only two on Earth, and Homeworld only managed a second by rushing its production in the middle of the war.
  • Are we ever going to visit the moving sandcastle?": Assuming this is talking about the sand structures in "Steven's Lion", that only existed so long as the Desert Glass held it up, then it crumbled. Otherwise, I have no clue what this is about.
  • "Why did Steven bubbled Bismuth?": Even if she might have realized Steven was not Rose, there was not clear evidence she changed her mind about wanting to kill him.
  • "Are we just leaving Jasper bubbled?": Yes. For one, she's corrupted. Even if she wasn't, the Crystal Gems were planning to keep Peridot bubbled despite her offer to work with them, because no one but Steven believed her. They're not going to let her out unless they have a specific reason to.
  • "Why haven't we freed the pillow gem?": Burnett said on Twitter it was corrupted. The post was since taken down, but considering they bubbled it, it still makes sense.
  • "How did Rose know what will happen when she gives birth?": She probably didn't—not entirely. Rose went to some trouble figuring out how she could give birth, but theorizing was inevitable. If she ended up birthing a human child without changing herself... well, at least they had the tape just in case.
  • "Where are Peridot's limb enhancers?": Three-and-a-half are lost at sea, the other half one Peridot probably put in storage when she realized she couldn't do anything with it.
  • "Was Lapis lying about her backstory?": Nothing suggests she was.
  • "Why hasn't Lapis met Bismuth?": If that's not the same Bismuth in her flashback, they have no reason to meet. If that is, that's a reason to keep them from meeting unless they have to.
  • "Is Lapis ever going to talk to the Crystal Gems about keeping her in the mirror?": By all evidence, she stopped blaming the Crystal Gems for that a long time ago.
  • "Does Lapis trust the Crystal Gems?": Enough that she apparently picking favorites for who to imitate when she substituted for them.
  • "Is Lapis a Crystal Gem?": No.

    Steven is not going to ask anyone this because it would be rude or upsetting 
  • "How did Rose and Pearl meet?"
  • "Whose Pearl was she?"
  • "Does Peridot still have a crush on Amethyst?"

    Yes, Steven probably should have asked this question 
  • "Are you going to try to heal any more corrupted gems?": Granted, it probably won't work until they find out more about corruption and/or Steven's healing.
  • Asking Peridot about Homeworld. This list seems short because that is an umbrella covering an enormous numbers of questions.

    Other replies 
  • "Is there anything else about my mom you haven't told us about?": That's really too broad of a question. Rose had a long, eventful history. It should be rephrased as something like "Is there anything else about Rose you've been concealing from me or that I have a need to know?"
  • "What happened to Russia?": This is something the audience might wonder, but most people who actually lived in their world would not. It was probably the early stages of Hostile Terraforming, and definitely happened over 5000 years ago—literal ancient history.
  • "Why didn't we try to save the Rubies?": That's not even a question Steven should have asked, because it's something you can ask him as well.
  • "Is Connie eventually going to move because of her dad's job?": That whole idea stopped making sense a long time ago—pretty much as soon as we found out her mom is a doctor, who would need to stay in the same place and get paid a lot more than her dad.

    Questions not brought up that I think Steven should ask 
  • What did Peridot mean by "I don't have memories of it, just feelings."? That ties pretty heavily into the aforementioned "They should be asking her stuff about Homeworld" issue.
  • What else does Peridot know about Earth? Specifically, the gem colonization thereof. She knew important stuff about the cluster gems and Jasper's Kindergarten that she held off on talking about for a while. Is there anything else that might concern the Crystal Gems' mission?
  • Do the non-Diamond gems have any idea about the history of the Diamonds or their Homeworld before they were created? That's not necessarily relevant to the plot, but seems like it would be useful knowledge in confronting their empire.
  • If Greg knew about the "For Steven" and "For Nora" tapes, why didn't Rose give them to him? That doesn't seem too important, but as I pointed out, thinking about it makes Lion seem pretty suspicious for happening to have the right tape and know where the wrong one was left.

    Questions Steven found the answer to, but should have asked first 
  • Going back to the beginning, just general questions about what gems are. Steven apparently went the first twelve years of his life without ever asking them if there were more non-monster gems, if they had families or childhoods, or any other questions about that would reveal how they're different from humans.
  • On a related not, why do gems have ruins all over the world when almost none of them are left?
  • Once the concept of fusion was introduced, why did Garnet have two gems?
  • What was that place Lion took Steven and Connie that had a bunch of Laser Light Cannons lying around?
  • When Garnet said "Rose Quartz had tried to use her powers to save these monsters", what was she trying to save them from?
  • What corrupted the gem monsters? The way Pearl talked about it, they weren't even deliberately keeping it a secret from Steven. They should have told him as soon as he knew about Homeworld. The only way this could have made sense is if Steven learned sometime before "Monster Reunion", that was just the point where the audience found out.
  • Why did Steven not tell them about how Lion's mane was full of stuff he knew belong to Rose?
  • Why was one bubbled gem in Lion's mane? Once he found out that was Bismuth, not a corrupt gem, why did he not question her being in a pink bubble?
  • Why the goddamn hell did no one notice or question Steven was not aging for five years?

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#49569: May 22nd 2017 at 11:38:57 PM

Some other replies to a few of the listed questions:

  • "Can Pearl transform?"
If she can change her outfit, then yes.
  • "Whatever happened to the cool weapons Bismuth made?"
The Gems still have them, they just haven't used them.
  • "Are we ever going to visit the moving sandcastle?"
This is actually about the structure Buddy mentioned in his journal. I'm pretty sure it was created by the Desert Glass, though, so it doesn't exist anymore anyway.

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#49570: May 23rd 2017 at 12:05:54 AM

But the biggest question remains! WHEN WILL STEVEN GIVE HIS SOUL TO ONION!?

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#49571: May 23rd 2017 at 12:08:07 AM

I think at one point those stopped being questions Steven should ask people and questions that the characters were asking Rebecca.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49572: May 23rd 2017 at 4:16:17 AM

Which is why I didn't answer the more blatant ones.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#49573: May 23rd 2017 at 4:40:49 AM

I'm not suggesting that Garnet straight-up made things up. But it is possible that through Broad Strokes she made Blue Diamond more of a simple villain than she might have come off in reality. Garnet was telling Steven about her origin, which she views as intensely romantic, so it's not unbelievable to me that she wouldn't want to distract from the romance by focusing on the nuances of Blue Diamond.

For the purposes of Garnet's story, Blue was just the villain who spurned Ruby and Sapphire's defection. Going into detail about her motives, personality, or the possibility that she was grieving and vengeful over the recent murder of her sister would have been besides the point as far as Garnet's story to Steven was concerned.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#49574: May 23rd 2017 at 7:32:49 AM

[up] Judging by Garnet's description in Bubbled i'd say Pink Diamond wasn't shattered till after she was formed.

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#49575: May 23rd 2017 at 7:32:51 AM

Personally, I don't get the idea that it's somehow worthy of criticism to think that Blue Diamond could be redeemed, but Yellow Diamond couldn't. The idea of redemption and a Heel–Face Turn due to understanding is a pretty consistent core idea in the show... but that said, particularly over the last season and a half, there's also been the theme that there are times when you just can't reach a person, that the chance at redemption will just be slapped away (looking at you, "perfect quartz" Jasper). Applying those themes to the two Diamonds we've seen, there's a natural evolution to saying that BD would reach for redemption and understanding, but YD wouldn't.

I'm not tied to the theory - maybe both will be redeemed somehow. Maybe neither will. Maybe they'll throw us for a complete loop and YD alone will try to make a Heel–Face Turn (admittedly, that one feels like a huge stretch, but I could see it playing out that way - YD finally confronts her feelings, everything comes crashing on her and she reaches out to Steven to get out of it, all while BD gets so caught up in a self-reflective spiral that she basically stops caring about everything that isn't her and wants to destroy everything). I just think that, with the current flow of the story, BD trying a Heel–Face Turn alone feels the most likely.

For Garnet and her take on Blue Diamond... well, a few things. One, and I think this is critical, we don't know whether her story took place before or after Pink Diamond was shattered (I don't think a timeline of the rebellion has ever been established in-series). I don't think it's a stretch to say that there might have been a radical shift in personality because of that. If Garnet first fused pre-shatter, then what we're seeing isn't Unreliable Narrator. We're seeing what happens when you miss out on nearly six millennia of character development being portrayed.

Even if that was post-PD shatter, though, we don't know where BD was on the "stages of grief" process. I know that it's pretty easy to say that she's been stuck on "depression" the whole time, but if she were still in "shock," that would make a lot of sense. In a way, that's the same "we didn't see 6000 years of character development" issue as the previous paragraph, but with fewer intervening steps.

@49564 A couple of those questions, I've thought about before in the past, and had my own Fanon on.

"How do fusions know their name right from the get-go?" This is related to the "how does a gem instantly know that they're looking at a fusion the first time they meet (like Jasper and Peridot did when first meeting Garnet)?" question. My guess is that, among the knowledge that all gems know inherently on creation is all about their entire species, including the ins and outs of fusion.

"What names came first - Earth gem names or Homeworld gem names?" I always figured that one of the minor powers of a gem was a magical universal translator - there is a gem language (Centipeedle wrote in it, after all), so they're probably just using that, and we (and Steven) hear it in English.

"Are there other kindergartens?" Beyond the answer about Earth, we know that Peridot was made after the rebellion and she's trained in managing kindergartens. Homeworld wouldn't have trained her in dealing with kindergartens if they weren't still some out there outside of Earth.

"Where are Peridot's limb enhancers?" - There's also the fact that, particularly with her ferrokinesis, she's apparently not that concerned with getting them back. That said, I've had the theory for a little bit that, in a suitably dramatic moment, she's going to reveal that Lapis helped her get the missing parts back for a major confrontation.

"Anything about Rose that Steven needs to know" - I mean, she lived over 6000 years... kinda hard to tell which things are going to be relevant. Heck, I don't know what about my life might be relevant to my kid, and I have two orders of magnitude less years to inform her of.

Oh, in terms of your question about what Peri knew of Earth... well, given that a chunk of that info was stuff she learned in "It Could've Been Great," and the Crystal Gems broke that terminal, I suspect that Peridot's information on Earth was fairly limited to her specific mission about The Cluster. She might know more, but I somehow doubt it.

Finally, in terms of "why didn't Steven tell the other Crystal Gems about the stuff in Lion's mane"... you could equally ask why he never told them that he knew about stuff like Rose's armory before it came up in the story (Pearl was pretty upset to learn about that one, after all). My best answer is that Steven is still a kid, and he doesn't necessarily know better what is necessary to share. It's not even keeping a secret; it's amazing just how much You Didn't Ask comes up when dealing with a kid.

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