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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#49501: May 20th 2017 at 7:34:42 PM

Let's say that 30% of romantic (sub)plots in shows/movies are half-assed, cliché, and/ or have some kind of Unfortunate Implications that make it problematic.

Now let's give a remarkably generous estimate that 10% of relationships in movies/shows are non-heterosexual.

That means that on average, 100 films with romantic sub plots will produce 27 "bad" heterosexual romances and 3 "bad" non-heterosexual romances.

Basically bad romantic tropes are going to happen, and they tend to happen in heterosexual romances because heterosexual romances tend to happen.

edited 20th May '17 7:35:57 PM by SalFishFin

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49502: May 20th 2017 at 7:39:43 PM

The heterosexuality is incidental to that though. I have to image that if gay or otherwise not-straight relationships were shown more often, a lot of them would be pretty terrible too, just because there a fair bit unfortunate stereotypes and cliches with them, and writing relationships is hard in general.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#49503: May 20th 2017 at 8:07:14 PM

Trying to give romantic relationships meaningful conflict is hard...

Having them just there in general can be annoying at worst...

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BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#49504: May 20th 2017 at 8:12:30 PM

Speaking of Steven and Connie and Stevonnie, I wonder if someone will try to exploit their emotions to get Stevonnie to slip up.

"Here Comes a Thought" showed that so much as a single invasive thought can get them to fall apart. It was what the whole episode was about. So I'm wondering if a villain will realize that and try to get in their head so that they either lose focus or unfuse entirely. I know they've trained to be better at it, but not entirely.

Just as an example, if someone's fighting Stevonnie and they ask if Steven and Connie love each other. They might get hung up on the different ways they define "love" and fall apart. It would be a literal Armor-Piercing Question.

edited 20th May '17 8:13:29 PM by BlueBlaze64

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#49505: May 20th 2017 at 10:31:28 PM

Ooh, that would be interesting! Though I wonder who would manage to learn so much about fusions that they would know to do that. Homeworld certainly doesn't seem to care enough about fusions to put that much thought into defeating them.

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BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#49506: May 21st 2017 at 9:17:47 AM

[up] If Jasper ever gets un-corrupted, I'd assume she would.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#49507: May 21st 2017 at 10:40:51 AM

Its assumed once Jasper gets uncorrupted she might become good,but I can see her doing that.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49508: May 21st 2017 at 10:45:30 AM

I'm not expecting it to really matter because I'll almost certain undoing corruption won't happen until almost the end of the series.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#49509: May 21st 2017 at 11:11:40 AM

So going back to Blue Diamond's threat of doing horrible to Steven,what if she intends to pull out his gem?

I feel if she did I don't think Steven wouldn't necessarily 'die',because that's where it will lead into Lar's head episode,with Steven seeking out Lars as a host until he can reinsert his gem

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#49510: May 21st 2017 at 11:21:06 AM

I don't think she's actually planning to do anything at that point. It's just another way of saying she wants to make Rose suffer for what she did.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#49511: May 21st 2017 at 11:34:21 AM

[up][up]When did she threaten him?!

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49513: May 21st 2017 at 11:36:58 AM

It's just from the promo of the upcoming special.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#49514: May 21st 2017 at 11:37:13 AM

In the trailer

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#49515: May 21st 2017 at 11:40:01 AM

I don't think pulling out Steven's Gem would be considered "torture" from BD's perspective. It's show that pulling out a Gem's gem simply caused them to poof. BD likely doesn't understand Steven's half human nature enough to think that he wouldn't be poofed.

edited 21st May '17 11:40:55 AM by RhymeBeat

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#49516: May 21st 2017 at 11:50:07 AM

Being poofed means the gem is at their most vulnerable,aside from taking form they are at the mercy of whoever finds their gem

edited 21st May '17 11:51:14 AM by Ultimatum

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49517: May 21st 2017 at 11:51:27 AM

The other Roses are different; they aren't the ones who actually did it so Blue wants to keep them as mementos. She doesn't need that from "Rose", though.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#49518: May 21st 2017 at 12:01:17 PM

That Rose Quartz wouldn't be a momento. She'd be a trophy.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#49519: May 21st 2017 at 12:14:05 PM

I think that "Rose Quartz" would be the opposite of a trophy,more like consolation prize

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#49520: May 21st 2017 at 1:21:07 PM

More like an inconsolability prize.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49521: May 21st 2017 at 1:24:04 PM

I think Blue would feel like just allowing Rose to exist in any form would be an insult to Pink. Yellow seems to feel that way about all of the Rose Quartzs just because they happen to be of the same type as the one who did it and wants to shatter them all.

edited 21st May '17 1:24:50 PM by LSBK

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#49522: May 21st 2017 at 2:32:28 PM

Which is straight-up genocide, now that I think about it. Killing all of the members of a biological group of people because of the actions of one of them fits the bill perfectly.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#49523: May 21st 2017 at 6:23:58 PM

When you put it that way Blue's reluctance to shatter the remaining Rose Quartzs makes her seem like a saint compared to Yellow. who has pushed for the genocide and wants Earth destroyed.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49524: May 21st 2017 at 6:26:30 PM

I mean, it's not like Blue's feeling are altruistic: she wants to keep the Rose Quartz because they belonged to Pink and she wants mementos of her, it has nothing to do with their right to their own existence or not blaming them for the sins of Rose.

Both of them are incredibly selfish, it's just that the selfishness is expressed differently.

edited 21st May '17 6:37:22 PM by LSBK

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#49525: May 21st 2017 at 6:34:12 PM

Not to mention that the Rose Quartzes at Blue's Zoo are still poofed (and from my conjecture, robbed of their consciousness). Being placed in Limbo aside there is also the fact they are more vulnerable to being shattered in this state.

The potential of rebirth is meaningless when the people capable of allow that are unwilling to well, allow that.


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