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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#49001: May 9th 2017 at 8:24:16 AM

My theory on Lion is that he (well, in this theory, she) is a corrupted gem that maintains enough of her previous sense of self that she's able to be an ally for Steven. Kind of like Centipeedle, but much more closely resembling a single real animal. The various abilities Lion has are the abilities she had when she was still a regular gem, that she doesn't quite have control over (which is why Steven can just dive into Lion's Hammerspace mane).

If Lion is indeed a gem - corrupted or otherwise - it's interesting to me that he/she has the form of a male lion (lionesses don't have the head-encircling manes) while all the other gems (sans Steven) are coded female.

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#49002: May 9th 2017 at 8:36:12 AM

Actually there's been examples of lionesses having manes.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49003: May 9th 2017 at 8:36:47 AM

It's something that's come up most times someone suggested Lion is just a corrupted gem, sometimes presented as evidence against the theory. I don't personally see it as that significant; corrupted forms seem so random that I wouldn't question a gem turning into a monster that (at least superficially) looks male.

Although Rose's pack of lions suggest Lion's specific form isn't random, and his mane may not actually be made of fur.

edited 9th May '17 8:49:58 AM by thatother1dude

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#49004: May 9th 2017 at 10:31:36 AM

I've always leaned on the theory that Lion was a gem that really liked being a lion,and when the corruption wave hit it sealed the transformation

The gems may even know who Lion is,but not as a lion

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#49005: May 9th 2017 at 10:33:51 AM

Wouldn't Rose have to have been the one who put the tape in lion's mane and in the desert? Wouldn't that mean that she knew if Steven was gonna be a boy or girl?

If this show ends with a Distant Finale and we see Steven and Connie happily married then I'm betting money that they'll have a girl named Nora.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#49006: May 9th 2017 at 11:04:22 AM

The Other 1 Dude thinks things could have ended up in his mane just by swallowing them, because he swallows a lizard one episode and barfs it up in another.

edited 9th May '17 11:05:00 AM by xanderiskander

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#49007: May 9th 2017 at 11:07:45 AM

The one with the right name was inside Lion and the other one inside the dump. Rose never knew if her child would be a boy or girl, so how could she have moved the right one?

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#49008: May 9th 2017 at 11:11:59 AM

It Was Me, Dio!

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#49009: May 9th 2017 at 11:15:02 AM

I didnt like that episode and I feel is kinda anti climatic as it just show some pointless data about steven.

Also a issue here is that even if steven dosent have some great plan, it still have to deal with rose unresolved stuff, including the whole shattering thing, for me rose is getting a little bit closer to win the unalaq prize for best parent.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#49010: May 9th 2017 at 11:23:15 AM

Steven wants to have a purpose...apparently.

Learning that Rosey didn't have a plan was the point.

Being pointless was the point.

Dealing with Rosey's Baggage isn't related to why he exist, it doesn't matter.

edited 9th May '17 11:23:54 AM by randomness4

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49011: May 9th 2017 at 11:34:48 AM

I've always leaned on the theory that Lion was a gem that really liked being a lion,and when the corruption wave hit it sealed the transformation
I've wondered if a gems' original personality affected their corrupted form, but Jasper has a very similar corrupted form to those two gem monsters that are heavily implied (and confirmed by Sugar at a con) to also be other kinds of Jaspers. That suggests a corrupted form is a function of the uncorrupted physical form.

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#49013: May 9th 2017 at 12:23:00 PM

Likewise we know all the Centipeetles were the same type of Gem pre-corruption.

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Sabertooth1000000000 Sabertooth from Land of the Livid Dead Since: Jul, 2010
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#49014: May 9th 2017 at 1:43:58 PM

Have they ever explained why every gem is female except for Steven?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49015: May 9th 2017 at 1:47:12 PM

No, and the staff has specifically said there is no in-universe reason for it.

edited 9th May '17 1:47:21 PM by thatother1dude

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49016: May 9th 2017 at 1:51:29 PM

"Doug Out" promo. As to be expected, none of the stuff here should be expected in the actual episode.

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#49017: May 9th 2017 at 1:59:50 PM

TEAM RULES
NO

That makes me laugh for some reason.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49018: May 9th 2017 at 2:13:25 PM

I misread it that was too, mostly because it's a list of 'No's but most of the list (tobacco, peanut shells, gum) is barely legible.

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#49019: May 9th 2017 at 2:15:29 PM

> Have they ever explained why every gem is female except for Steven?

Reminds me of similar question I had about Dragon Ball's Saiyan race and the fact Goku only had sons and no daughters

Although the actual answer is that Freeza blew their planet up,I still don't know why Goku had sons but no daughters.

edited 9th May '17 2:15:52 PM by Ultimatum

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#49020: May 9th 2017 at 2:17:54 PM

You know there's Pan and that chick from Dragon Ball Super you know.

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#49021: May 9th 2017 at 2:19:59 PM

Pan is his granddaughter and only a quarter Saiyan, and the female Saiyans from Super are in a different universe. We've seen Goku's mother, Gine, in Dragon Ball Minus, Akira Toriyama's own version of the Bardock: Father of Goku special that sucks ass because it's just a shitty rewrite of Superman's origin with major timeline issues, but since Toriyama wrote it it's canon.

edited 9th May '17 2:20:28 PM by AdricDePsycho

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#49022: May 9th 2017 at 2:29:09 PM

He had sons but no daughters because that happens 25% of the time when you have exactly two children.

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#49023: May 9th 2017 at 2:36:08 PM

I forgot how many children he had,I could have sworn he had more then two

edit:unless I'm thinking of Gohan,but I don't that's right either

edited 9th May '17 2:48:53 PM by Ultimatum

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#49024: May 9th 2017 at 2:50:02 PM

Akira Toriyama's own version of the Bardock: Father of Goku special that sucks ass because it's just a shitty rewrite of Superman's origin with major timeline issues, but since Toriyama wrote it it's canon.
From what I remember Akira Toriyama didn't come up with the story. It was just an idea someone had, that he liked and made canon, based off Raditz mentioning his name in the manga or something.

Yeah searching around he confirms Bardock's story was an anime original thing. It doesn't sound like he was super involved with it. He didn't even design the character.

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#49025: May 9th 2017 at 2:51:08 PM

That's Bardock: Father of Goku, that's different than Dragon Ball Minus. Dragon Ball Minus was a manga he wrote several years after that.

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