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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#48751: Apr 23rd 2017 at 5:16:09 PM

[up][up]They also take hundreds of years to form though. So maybe not quite that many.

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#48752: Apr 23rd 2017 at 7:07:35 PM

But they have been around for a long time too.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#48753: Apr 24th 2017 at 12:56:34 PM

The Gem empire has been around for thousand of years,and since it takes hundreds of years for gems to emerge I imagine there's still high number of them.I wonder if the process for creating gems has been perfected during that thousand years or maybe they are still relying on the same process since they first started

edited 24th Apr '17 3:19:55 PM by Ultimatum

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InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#48754: Apr 25th 2017 at 2:31:46 PM

Re: Complete Monsters: Kevin's just kind of a dick. It's less that he's irredeemable and more that there's no much to redeem him for. He's a dick that shows up every once in a while whenever the story conveniently needs an unlikable dick for the characters to get angry at.

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#48755: Apr 25th 2017 at 2:37:28 PM

I thought the point of Kevin was the opposite of that?

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#48756: Apr 25th 2017 at 2:50:11 PM

[up]They got angry at him to learn not to waste their time being angry at him.

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#48757: Apr 25th 2017 at 2:54:23 PM

Kevin is just your typical Jerkass. Not really someone truly evil like the Diamonds.

A Complete Monster goes WAY beyond simple douchebaggery. They are an individual so utterly depraved that they are beyond any hope of redemption. Case in point, Emperor Palpatine. THAT is who you call a Complete Monster.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#48758: Apr 25th 2017 at 3:53:48 PM

[up][up]Truly, they learned a valuable lesson...

Don't get mad at jerks.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#48759: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:24:55 PM

Basically 'turning the other cheek'

I can't say that's my favourite thing in the world,sometimes you have to make a response,I feel like silence does nothing

edited 25th Apr '17 5:26:27 PM by Ultimatum

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#48760: Apr 25th 2017 at 5:31:57 PM

In the situation it seemed more like it was about not obsessing over jerks

It wasn't really about Kevin.

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#48761: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:26:23 AM

Don't give attention to someone who's a jerk and feeds off attention?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#48762: Apr 26th 2017 at 6:36:47 AM

That's anti-troll logic...

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#48763: Apr 26th 2017 at 12:52:34 PM

Some previews from the artbook.

Similar to the Avatar: The Last Airbender artbook, this is more than just a compilation of sketches, as it also has various production notes and concepts. Hence the full title Steven Universe: Art & Origins.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#48764: Apr 26th 2017 at 1:43:35 PM

I'm glad they shifted towards a more scifi tone honestly. Helps it stand out more, especially since most gynocentric shows tend to lean more heavily towards the magical side of things.

The main three being themed around various things sounds pretty cool but I could see how it would get complicated fast as more characters entered the fray.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#48765: Apr 26th 2017 at 1:57:05 PM

I think if the show had remained centred around fantasy it would have become too similar to Adventure Time instead of being it's own thing,Steven Universe is cut from same cloth as Adventure Time however since Sugar worked on both,the pilot even had a monster could have come from the Land of Ooo,

edited 26th Apr '17 2:03:56 PM by Ultimatum

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#48766: Apr 26th 2017 at 2:39:47 PM

I'm confident that we'll see the group from the Zoo again, but I wasn't entirely sure how. But if Gems are abducting humans there's a good chance they'll be taken to the Zoo. So maybe the Crystal Gems will rescue the Beach City residents, and the Zoomans, and maybe convert the Amethysts to their side?

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#48767: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:09:24 AM

One particularly good point about Complete Monster that isn't being discussed is if the character in question is already past the Moral Event Horizon - regardless of whether or not it will happen, could it be theoretically possible to redeem the character? Sure, Kevin is a Jerkass and I strongly suspect that he's just so minor that the writers aren't going to bother with trying to redeem him. That said, if they suddenly did want to turn Kevin into The Atoner, I think it's well within reasonableness that he could be redeemed, if he really worked at it. For all the jerky things he did, all of that could be walked back. Yes, I know few actually do walk back from it, but it could be done.

For comparison's sake, look at Peridot - she actively tried to cause an Earth-Shattering Kaboom, and that's way worse than anything Kevin did. Yes, there are mitigating factors to what she did (which is why people generally accept that she was eligible for a Heel–Face Turn), but the fact is, we've already established a really high bar for what can be forgiven and redeemed on this show. I don't think Kevin really could qualify for Complete Monster outside of events that would only happen in a really Dark Fic.

If there's any Complete Monster debate regarding Steven Universe, it's totally in the person of Yellow Diamond. Blue Diamond is way too into Knight Templar territory (you can easily argue that her aims are sympathetic and possibly even good at points, but her methods are very much not), and the theoretical White Diamond is still too much of a cipher to know. Yellow Diamond, though, I think it depends on how much you think her Noblesse Oblige and her attitude towards both BD and Pink Diamond give her enough of a positive character trait to keep her from fully qualifying (personally, I would lean towards YD not being one as yet, but should she ever shed those qualities, she could slide into it).

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#48768: Apr 27th 2017 at 8:55:49 AM

I've always felt a Complete Monster in Steve Universe would be someone like Lord Vodelmort,a character who is completely incapable of loving anything and exists solely to hate and was created through circumstances which were thoroughly tragic

more new episode titles —-> http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/steven-universe/episode-guide/EP01616432?aid=zap2it

edited 27th Apr '17 9:14:29 AM by Ultimatum

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#48769: Apr 27th 2017 at 9:36:47 AM

Not much to go on without any descriptions, but that second one does give a vague suggestions as to where thing are headed in the next bomb.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#48770: Apr 27th 2017 at 9:41:36 AM

So it seems that Steven might be tried for Roses crimes if this is going in the direction I think it is. But ultimately Steven will be getting back to Earth by the time that last one airs.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#48771: Apr 27th 2017 at 9:46:23 AM

Stuck together makes me someone is getting shattered then put back together

or its about the team sticking together despite the odds

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Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#48772: Apr 27th 2017 at 10:23:43 AM

"Stuck Together" makes me think that someone's gonna find out what happened with the Cluster.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#48773: Apr 27th 2017 at 10:25:15 AM

The Trial has already been getting a lot of Pink Floyd jokes taking off on Reddit.

-mumbles something about Jasper-

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#48774: Apr 27th 2017 at 10:45:05 AM

I just watched said Pink Floyd Trial thing because I was curious

Disturbing stuff

edited 27th Apr '17 11:37:41 AM by Ultimatum

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#48775: Apr 27th 2017 at 11:11:23 AM

The "So Basically Kevin?" thing was Humor Mode guys....

edited 27th Apr '17 11:11:33 AM by xanderiskander


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