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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#48201: Mar 21st 2017 at 2:02:24 PM

I think they'd have an easier time than Bismuth because it involves tech. Bismuth's experience is more with buildings and weapons.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#48202: Mar 21st 2017 at 3:05:45 PM

A really contrived idea I've just had involves them finding the ship that Rose originally used to escape from wherever in the gem empire she was from (I would say zoo but nothing has been confirmed,there is evidence that's gems like her were positioned at the zoo,but she may have had a different purpose,speculation is fun!)

Now I'm wondering if the rebels had their own ships,although it's more likely they were relying on pure guerrilla warfare so they had no need for them

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#48203: Mar 21st 2017 at 3:10:44 PM

Why do anything about the zoomans at all? They're literally incapable of fending for themselves.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#48204: Mar 21st 2017 at 4:24:50 PM

You know, they make a point that they're in paradise, and living in ignorant bliss, but I think I'd get bored of doing the exact same routine every day if I were them.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#48205: Mar 21st 2017 at 4:32:52 PM

Mention of Centi's ship gave me a thought:

The Crystal Gems do look at her ship, either to recommission it or use it as a base to build their own. Regardless, something occurs to get the ship flying, but nobody knows what to do. It's then that Centipeedle, of not the crew as a whole, manage some extent of reversion to their Gem forms to pilot the ship to a safe landing.

The idea there is that, since Corruption is described as mental damage, doing something intimately familiar to them, like piloting in this case, brings their minds back to a degree of normalcy.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#48206: Mar 21st 2017 at 4:35:11 PM

Or Steven fills a bottle with his healing spit and has to keep applying to them

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#48207: Mar 21st 2017 at 6:08:35 PM

[up][up][up]They'd have to know there was more to life than what they have to get bored of their situation.

They won't even know what boredom is...

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#48208: Mar 21st 2017 at 7:42:10 PM

Yeah, I don't buy that. Even if they don't know about things, they should still get bored of doing the same thing every day, and try to come up with new things to do themselves. Even with the limited environment.

Boredom isn't something you don't feel just because you haven't been taught the word for it.

edited 21st Mar '17 7:48:25 PM by xanderiskander

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#48209: Mar 21st 2017 at 8:47:21 PM

Just throw some new toys in their exhibit, they'll be entertained for months.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#48210: Mar 21st 2017 at 9:16:16 PM

a dystopian Free-Love Future (certainly what the gems would have built - nobody's under any utopian illusions here) eliminates the concept of rejection on a societal level - you wouldn't have to worry about rejection because nobody would even think to reject anyone else
You seem to be describing a world where literally no one ever disagrees or turns down a request, which doesn't even sound like the dystopian form of Free-Love Future (which is usually based on sex without any emotional attachment, but have the same concepts of consent). That seems absurdly dangerous, and thus would never be allowed in the Zoo.

They have the giant hand's wreckage in Amethyst's room IIRC.
They never explained where they put the wreckage.

Even if they don't know about things, they should still get bored of doing the same thing every day, and try to come up with new things to do themselves.
They probably do, but it'll just be Incredibly Lame Fun from our perspective because they're conditioned to never even consider something unsafe. Remember how impressed they were that Greg could splash water around?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#48211: Mar 21st 2017 at 9:23:57 PM

They knew what splashing was before Gregory arrived...

They just were amazed at the idea of a cannonball...

Which allowed them to make bigger splashes somehow...

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#48212: Mar 22nd 2017 at 4:32:03 PM

The problem with the zoomens is that they can't actually leave their environment without the risk of dying from exposure due to their immune systems,their pristine environment basically means anything that spreads like the common cold could wipe them out ,I raised this issue awhile ago that when Steven and Greg entered the zoo they could have brought their germs into the zoo's environment and contaminated it.

Even if they still had a ship going back to the zoo would pointless and risk immediate capture

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#48213: Mar 22nd 2017 at 5:06:58 PM

That and the fact that they'd require constant supervision, which they're getting anyway.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#48214: Mar 22nd 2017 at 8:39:00 PM

[up][up]Steven's healing spit probably just waves that problem away though. On the other hand I kind of doubt the writers really thought that hard about that.

edited 22nd Mar '17 8:44:12 PM by xanderiskander

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#48215: Mar 23rd 2017 at 6:58:04 AM

Well, I don't know if the healing spit would take care of the introduction of diseases - we know it heals injury, but infection is a different medical issue. Maybe it would, sure, but until it actually comes up in canon, we can't be sure.

Also, if we want to be precise, it's also just as likely that there's a disease that the zoomans have built up immunity to that Greg and Steven are susceptible to. I think it's just as likely that they brought an epidemic back with them.

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#48216: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:12:03 AM

Steven was able to slightly cure Gem corruption with his saliva. It might heal diseases.

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#48217: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:22:56 AM

I highly doubt that writers that can't be arsed to think off a proper Hand Wave for language barriers have much interesting to say about epidemiology. It would just get in the way of good storytelling. Specifically, it would get in the way of the moral conundrum of taking the zoomans out of their golden cage to live freely in the dangerous outside world, which is actually a pretty interesting philosophical question that I don't want ruined by "everyone died because of germs".

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#48218: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:29:10 AM

Counter-Handwave: the gem system, rather than modify the humans genetially, made do with the fact that their immune system needs germ exposure to function correctly, and they need germs to digest their food. Therefore all the zoomans are exposed to tons of germs and inoculated from a very young age, as it makes them healthier.

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#48219: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:31:07 AM

It is odd that almost all new Gems we've seen, up to and including the Famethyst, have been able to effortlessly understand Human speech, and yet Holly Blue Agate seemed genuinely unaware of what Steven was saying.

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#48220: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:34:43 AM

[up] Nah, she knew perfectly well what he was saying. She was just being a bitch.

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#48221: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:50:38 AM

@48214 That actually glosses the problem. The problem arises not because one population developed in a germ-free environment while the other developed in a germ-inhabited environment. It's that the two environments had completely different sets of germs, and the populations gained extra resistance only to those that they developed with.

One example that turned out way more horrific than many people probably realize is chicken pox. I imagine that most of us who had chicken pox at this point probably remember it as a mild-to-moderate annoyance, but that's because most of civilization has grown concurrent with the disease and it's generally something that humanity has adapted to. But not all of humanity - in several instances, chicken pox turned out to be a debilitating plague when populations previously isolated from the disease were introduced to it by European or American explorers/settlers. It generally wasn't lethal, but the effects of it were way worse than what the vast majority of people in the modern day dealt with (and, of course, they have a vaccine against it now, so experience with it will drastically decline in the coming years).

Just to give a simple example, there might be different strains of the common cold that developed for both the zoomans and Earth; the meeting of Greg and Steven with the zoomans might have given a vector for them to share those strains, and now both zoomans and Earth's residents might be facing off against a cold that they have very little resistance to.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#48222: Mar 23rd 2017 at 7:57:50 AM

[up][up]Pretty sure she had Lord Rust syndrome.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#48224: Mar 23rd 2017 at 2:31:32 PM

> Steven was able to slightly cure Gem corruption with his saliva. It might heal diseases.

Since the healing spit didn't cure the corruption like it did for other injuries I suspect it was designed to resist Rose's healing abilities,plus the fact that's it can be spread by fusion makes me think they knew Rose's army likely consisted of many fused gems

I think the spit probably can heal diseases and Steven could likely become a billionaire selling his bottled spit

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#48225: Mar 23rd 2017 at 2:41:18 PM

They said why it can't heal corruption. It's not a physical wound, it's a mental one.


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