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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#47951: Mar 12th 2017 at 3:09:38 PM

I'm kind of surprised no one brought up the cannons.

@Ultimatum: I thought Bismuth's idea was to mass produce the Breaking Point?

Anyways, who cares about symbolism. Symbolism doesn't win wars! tongue I don't think the argument applies because the sword could become the rebellion's symbol, rather than Rose's. She already had her shield and healing tears going for her.

@thatother1dude: I don't disagree. I don't see how your argument works against my point either.

@Deaths Apprentice: I understood that as "[the sword] was made specifically to poof gems without shattering them." But, really, this wild mass guess came to my mind and I'm wondering if it's reasonable or not to consider.

@Diamond is Unbreakable: I took a break from the series to watch Steven Universe and now I'm back to it. The irony was not lost on me tongue

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#47952: Mar 12th 2017 at 3:15:29 PM

I just hope the yellow color scheme and face is the end of Yellow Diamond's Similarities with Dio, I don;t think the Crystal Gems are able to stop a villain who can freeze time.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47953: Mar 12th 2017 at 3:25:09 PM

If they can move faster than time, doesn't matter.

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#47954: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:05:13 PM

The thing about Bismuth's description of Rose's sword and Eyeball's account of Pink Diamond's shattering and focus on the sword rather than the shield is that they're specifically at odds with one another, at least tonally if not completely literally. And because this is, y'know, a consistently plotted and well-written show that clearly trusts its audience, this can't help but read as an incongruity that was put there deliberately with the intention for the audience to notice it and wonder what it means. That this is not an oversight, and indeed means something. Whatever that something is.

Was Bismuth waving poetic about the sword's incapacity of harming a Gem's gemstone? It feels doubtful to me, but it can't be discounted, of course.
Was Eyeball mistaken about what she saw, or misremembering those events? Seems more plausible, but given the gravity with which her account was given, and how neither Pearl nor Garnet denied it, it doesn't seem like it can be that simple.
Or, most controversally is Eyeball the one who is stretching the truth, with or without realizing it? Would it be possible for it to maybe not have been Rose specifically — or rather alone — who did the deed?

Like, say, a fusion with Rose as one of the components? Pearl's always been unusually flaky about this subject, even for what it is.
But that's just pure speculation, of course. It's not even concrete that this is important, no matter how it feels like it's intended to be.

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#47955: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:22:16 PM

I hadn't considered it could've been a fusion, and it could make sense that Rose, Pearl and Garnet were the ones to do it, but I think if that was indeed the case Eyeball would've been as angry at them as she was at Rose. Jasper too.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47956: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:33:27 PM

The Jasper gem respected Rosey's war tactics...

She doesn't respect the use of fusion...

So fusion must not have been involved much...

Makes sense.

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#47957: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:43:13 PM

Maybe Jasper didn't know she was using fused gems in her army?I can see her definitely using fusions,she had Garnet for one and there were probably more gems like her

So respecting her tactics its basically sayings she was a worthy foe and doesn't outright confirm anything really.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47958: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:49:50 PM

The Jasper gem seemed to recognize Garnet was a fusion on the spot...despite no indication.

There's no way to tell...maybe it was a lucky guess.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#47959: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:54:23 PM

Actually I think i have an idea on how she found out.

See, out of all the depicted fusionsnote , they have one thing in common: they all have retain the gems of their components (IIRC even in the same placements), so it's possible that Jasper saw that Garnet had 2 gems and deduced she was a fusion from that. And that a gem would have only 1 um...gem unless they fused, in which the new body would have multiple gems.

edited 12th Mar '17 4:54:51 PM by MorningStar1337

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47960: Mar 12th 2017 at 5:02:00 PM

That wasn't the case.

Garnet had her Gauntlets out from the moment the Hand Ship landed...and they cover her gems.

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#47961: Mar 12th 2017 at 5:03:20 PM

hm..good point. Maybe the handships track Gem signatures?wild mass guess

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47962: Mar 12th 2017 at 5:10:55 PM

Probably, if the Rubles' ship was able to to do that and the Red Eye was built for that very purpose, it'd make sense if the more important ship was also able to do that.

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#47963: Mar 12th 2017 at 5:50:19 PM

The handships are basically gem warships so they probably do have systems on board to monitor gems deployed on the ground,

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#47964: Mar 12th 2017 at 5:55:25 PM

Garnet had her Gauntlets out from the moment the Hand Ship landed...and they cover her gems.
Maybe Jasper knew of every kind of non-fusion gem there was (besides Steven), and thus concluded Garnet was a fusion because she wasn't one of those.

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#47965: Mar 12th 2017 at 6:03:10 PM

I assume Garnet was a big deal what with fusing right in Blue Diamond's court and then joining the rebellion??

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#47966: Mar 12th 2017 at 6:19:04 PM

I can't remember, did Jasper say anything to suggest she knew Garnet was a fusion prior to poofing her on the beach? Because the moment that happens it's pretty obvious.

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#47967: Mar 12th 2017 at 6:19:33 PM

She called Garnet a "shameless display".

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#47968: Mar 12th 2017 at 6:53:52 PM

Which her comments on fusion when the meet again were clearly following up on.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#47969: Mar 12th 2017 at 7:20:07 PM

@last page of discussion Rose probably shattered Pink Diamond by Ending her rightly.

Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#47970: Mar 12th 2017 at 8:15:16 PM

[up]Me: *sees that video is about serious real life techniques* "Hehe, it'd be pretty funny if Rose finished Pink Diamond by throwing her pommel at her." *cue video* "Oh, [lol]"

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#47971: Mar 13th 2017 at 11:11:06 AM

I thought this video was a good analysis of some of the more fluff filled low key episodes.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#47972: Mar 13th 2017 at 12:29:12 PM

[up]Again, at this point, I just want them to cut the fluff and get right to the heart of the matter. Those more Slice of Life episodes were fine when the show was just starting out, when we were still getting introduced to the characters and laying downs some worldbuilding. But now we're at the point we've more than gotten to know the characters and just how this world works, so there's no excuse not to get things moving. And sometimes it does, but other times it goes back to Beach City for 3-5 eps before we can get back to the main plot again. I do like the show, but continuing to just keep up with the fluff rather than really kick things into high gear nearly five seasons in is what's keeping me from loving it.

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#47973: Mar 13th 2017 at 12:38:10 PM

I'm fine with Beach City episodes as long as they're good. They're an essential aspect of connecting Steven to humanity, but so often they're just "support character involved in shenanigan" and nothing happens.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#47974: Mar 13th 2017 at 12:45:18 PM

[up]To be fair, I wouldn't mind them so much if they were done in moderation. 3-5 Gem episodes, 1 Beach City episode; 3-5 more Gem episodes, 1 more Beach city, etc. But rather than simply letting us catch us a breather between the Gem episodes, there are just more Beach City episodes than there need to be, in part because, like you said, they're often just so boring by comparison. If they were all the show was, that would be one thing, but why would I want more of the so-so Column B when I could have more of the much more tasty Column A? I wouldn't mind a taste of Column B to mix things up, but Column A should be the main course rather than just the appetizer, which is what it feels like half the time. Beach City eps are important to connect Steven to his humanity, sure, but just how many of them do we really need?

edited 13th Mar '17 12:46:32 PM by kkhohoho

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#47975: Mar 13th 2017 at 12:52:22 PM

I'm still pulling for Lion 4 to at least give us something, because so far the plot has been kind of meh after Out of this World. The most activity this thread got about an episode in recent memory was everyone ranting on how much they hated Rocknaldo and everyone talking about how good Storm in the Room and Room for Ruby were.

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