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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#47801: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:30:46 PM

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#47802: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:31:10 PM

You first said it was good and now said it was bad, what?

EDIT: Wait, you're talking about the animation being bad.

edited 10th Mar '17 6:31:58 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#47803: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:32:35 PM

By the way, I haven't watched the episode yet, however I'm interested in the discussion about animation. I don't have much to add that aren't my opinions, though.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#47804: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:42:17 PM

One specific idiosyncrasy I've noticed a bunch in Molisee/Villeco episodes is that sometimes characters' pupils are drawn taller than usual. Now that Raven Molisse has boarded an episode without Paul Villeco, in which I noticed said abnormality several times, I can conclusively say those come from her drawings.

I don't particularly like or dislike it, I just felt like pointing out how observant I am.

Off Model animation should only be used as a way to artistically heighten the storytelling, not as an excuse to be lazy.
I'm going to reiterate that it's the storyboard artists going off model, not the animators. Hence Lamar Abrams' joke about how he drew Lapis and Peridot's hair in "Same Old World".

To "artistically heighten the storytelling" is exactly the point of it: The storyboard artists are prioritizing their ability to show emotion and action in their drawings over fealty to standardized designs. The storyboard supervisors/art directors/etc. give them leeway to do so as long as it doesn't make scenes confusing in some way, hence why these things make it through (quite lengthy) storyboard revisions. It's fine to say they don't succeed at making things better, but questioning intent isn't a great way to form criticism.

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#47805: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:47:15 PM

Yeah, no, I love this episode and the first few episodes of Steven Universe. I was referring the the animation in both as being bad.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47806: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:52:42 PM

[up][up]The pupils being near 2/3 the size of the character's eyeballs is the worst thing...it looks weirdness.

edited 10th Mar '17 6:53:18 PM by randomness4

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Victin Since: Dec, 2011
#47807: Mar 10th 2017 at 6:56:38 PM

The eyes in the show remind me of Monica's Gang sometimes. Link to Wikipedia pic. The "comma eyes" reminds me of old Monica's Gang, like this. Not that I'm old enough to have caught the latter XD

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#47808: Mar 10th 2017 at 7:01:21 PM

I thought the episode was called "Ruby's Room" so I had different expectations going in. At least I DID, until looking for it on youtube spoiled the episode by showing a video titled "Ruby's Betrayal" and showing an image of Steven and the others hanging out of the Ruby ship.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#47809: Mar 10th 2017 at 7:10:08 PM

True but she also emotional manipulated him and brought him along just to see the look of betrayal on his face.
She is vindictive at the very least, but you can really only call it naked sadism if she behaves similarly to someone who's not harmed her (at least not significantly).

The pupils being near 2/3 the size of the character's eyeballs is the worst thing
I was talking about the height of the pupils (and the whole eye really), though the pupils being larger sometime is another thing you see sometimes in Villeco/Molisee episodes.

At least I DID, until looking for it on youtube spoiled the episode by showing a video titled "Ruby's Betrayal" and showing an image of Steven and the others hanging out of the Ruby ship.
Jesus, and I was annoyed when a video thumbnail just showed Navy would be in the episode two hours before the premier.

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#47810: Mar 10th 2017 at 7:33:07 PM

Gosh, I love Lapis even more after watching this episode. Really, she's such a great character. To be honest, New Crystal Gems was the only time where I felt that she was truly badly written.

In spite of that, I'm still having a little trouble understanding why she's such a divisive character. Not saying no one should dislike her, by all means, criticize away. However, I still have yet to see a legitimate argument against her that actually sticks. Heck, I recently just watched a whole video dedicated to how Lapis is a problematic character and I ended up just scratching my head by the end and saying, "Uhh...yeah, I don't know if that makes sense."

I don't know, is it just me? Yes?

edited 10th Mar '17 7:34:16 PM by deuteragonist

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47811: Mar 10th 2017 at 7:43:57 PM

Inconsistent writing, most likely...

All characters are great...

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#47812: Mar 10th 2017 at 7:52:45 PM

I saw a video like that today and agreed with it the whole way through, but it's not as though I hate her. Maybe she needs some time away from Peridot to really live up to her character's potential.

Loves feel-good animation a whole lot.
Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#47813: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:05:45 PM

I really liked this episode, navy is just adorable; I was really happy to see that lapiz was willing to give her a chance (I count as character devlopment from barn mates), but then it got depresing seeing her mad because of howw good navy was doing, and then -bam! navy showed her true colours, I won't say I wasn't expecting it but it was amazing either way, the fact that they did it with a character as innocent looking as navy, without changing her personality, not even one bit, nonetheless. At that moment I was thinking, "oh, girl, lapiz is so gonna kick your ass," but then she escaped, and I was like "ahh :( >:( ", and then lapiz laughed and I felt happy knowing she wasn't sad anymore!

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#47815: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:12:56 PM
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#47816: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:19:19 PM

[up][up]Awesome, stretch examples...

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#47817: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:25:29 PM

They are dumb, and I only love them more for it. smile

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#47818: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:28:16 PM

Finally got to see the episode.

Oof. That little gem is just asking to get poofed now.

edited 10th Mar '17 8:28:40 PM by GreatT

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#47819: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:32:12 PM

2 cute 2 poof

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#47820: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:35:48 PM

She might be askin'...

But she doesn't deserve it now of all times...

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#47821: Mar 10th 2017 at 8:43:25 PM

I think Rubies can be dumb.

They're foot soldiers, valued for strength in numbers and for pyramiding into a bigger Gem.

They don't have to be dumb. They have the capacity to be otherwise. And we've seen that out of several Rubies by now. In a stretch, in a pinch, given the opportunity they can be quite cunning.

Its not what Homeworld demands or necessarily wants from them. But they have the potential.

And I think that fits into one of the recurring themes of the show.

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#47822: Mar 10th 2017 at 9:01:33 PM

I think people are oversimplifying Rubies when they say they're 'dumb'. To me, Rubies aren't especially intelligent, but they also aren't especially unintelligent. They are extremely undereducated, though, which makes sense, since they're supposed to be mindless footsoldiers and low-tier bodyguards. They also aren't very perceptive and observant, but as this episode shows, they certainly aren't stupid.

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#47823: Mar 10th 2017 at 9:04:48 PM

[up], [up][up] I agree.

Just saying that "Rubies are dumb" seems to be essentially playing to Homeworld's idea of "Gems are only good for one thing, and one thing only". Basically what we saw from Holly Blue Agate.

I dislike such a mindset, and I'd prefer if we didn't buy into it.

edited 10th Mar '17 9:05:45 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#47824: Mar 10th 2017 at 9:12:20 PM

I loved this episode! And I just love Navy even more now, that Magnificent Bastard. I loved how well she used her happy-go-lucky personality to trick everyone. Her final minutes were the best, when she was gleefully telling Steven that she did this so that she could see the look on his face when he got betrayed by his favorite Ruby. That was so mean, I loved it.

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#47825: Mar 10th 2017 at 9:36:56 PM

[up][up][up]They should be more observant and perceptive if the viewer is suppose to believe that they're actually given more jobs than just body guards.

Grunts only defend, so it'd make sense if they were just doing that...as in "The Answer"

And the leader shouldn't have just been another grunt...if the only thing separating them is rank, not even experience. Yet overall they don't ever appear to be smarter than eachother...

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