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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#47326: Feb 27th 2017 at 10:26:06 PM

[up]The message seems clear.

"This show is not for you."

Cross (Don’t ask)
#47327: Feb 27th 2017 at 10:27:23 PM

[up][up] One of the links was to the first movie.

edited 27th Feb '17 10:27:56 PM by Cross

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Funny but not helpful
#47328: Feb 27th 2017 at 10:27:24 PM

[up][up] Well it might not be

That's something people have to decide individually

[up] well there you go

edited 27th Feb '17 10:30:09 PM by Bocaj

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#47329: Feb 27th 2017 at 10:40:57 PM

Or the message was "Steven Universe is not a stereotypically manly show, and you should watch something else if you're looking for that". I mean, sometimes I'm in the mood for Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, sometimes I'm in the mood for Steven Universe. Both have their strengths and weaknesses that are very different from each other.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#47330: Feb 27th 2017 at 10:41:12 PM

Matt's a dick, but he's the best. Shame the Crewniverse doesn't interact that much anymore with the toxic cesspool that we call the Steven Universe fandom.

Also, obligatory "if picturing Andy as a stereotypical conservative makes it harder for you to sympathize with him as a character, you are absolutely the target audience for Gem Harvest" post.

EDIT: Also also, people are taking Matt's post WAAAAAAY out of context. He wasn't saying that Steven Universe is/isn't a dudebro show, it was a direct response to a stock "why no mael gems" question. His point is that there are hundreds of shows where the important male characters greatly outnumber the important female characters, and they are all perfectly good shows and movies, indeed many of them are some truly splendid works of art, but it says a lot about how we are as a society that a show that flips the trope and has most of its important characters as female (despite the rest of the supporting cast, including Greg who is arguably outside of Steven himself the emotional core of the entire show, being almost 50:50 split on gender) is suddenly an issue when the inverse has been the norm for as long as mankind has told stories.

edited 27th Feb '17 10:44:22 PM by InAnOdderWay

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#47331: Feb 28th 2017 at 12:46:24 AM

Basically. He was saying "we shouldn't have to shoehorn male gems into our show for the sake of pandering to that part of the audience especially since I can easily name something else that would be right up your alley if you care about it that much", and deciding to put his foot down firmly to stem it. It's his show and his vision (well, all of theirs). Funny how that works.

edited 28th Feb '17 12:47:44 AM by AlleyOop

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#47332: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:48:51 AM

Alley and Odder got it exactly right. What he's saying is that if you want a show about superpowered masculine men, you can watch pretty much literally almost anything else ever made. SU is one of the only shows I can name, period, that has a majority cast of female, queer and POC characters. So maybe yes, the show isn't for straight white men, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it and love it. We just need to accept that maybe there are other people in the world who also want to watch shows that portray them as the heroes, without needing a white man around to do the job.

It's been fun.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#47333: Feb 28th 2017 at 2:03:58 AM

It's not for straight white men...

But it can be for straight black men...

And in a way, isn't that just a little better?

Hearts grow.

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#47334: Feb 28th 2017 at 3:46:15 AM

[up] Not funny. Also while I dont like how Matt Burnett handled himself, I do respect that a show has a vision and they are sticking to their guns.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#47335: Feb 28th 2017 at 4:35:28 AM

I dont like how Matt Burnett handled himself
If I'm thinking of the right quote, Burnett pretty quickly deleted and apologized for it—not for being wrong, just for being a dick about it.

Gabo352 Since: Jun, 2016
#47336: Feb 28th 2017 at 4:53:51 AM

I'm actually surprised ronaldo din't doubt the cristal gems again after he learned the are rock people, I mean, he already knows that the monsters come to beach city because of them, it seems weird he doesn't even try to ask them why is that, what is their agenda, what are they doing on earth, you know, that kind of thing.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#47337: Feb 28th 2017 at 5:46:52 AM

[up] Will, you know how it is with conspiracy theorist types, actual evidence would just get in the way.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#47338: Feb 28th 2017 at 6:36:19 AM

I am conflicted on the Rocknaldo episode. On the one hand, it was the first SU episode that made me look away when I'm watching it simply because Ronaldo making an ass of himself is just that cringey.

On the other hand, it made an important distinction. Too many people think "love and tolerance" means "you never get to question me, ever". They react to being criticized with screaming "So you're INTOLERANT of me?!" and accusing you of hypocrisy. That's not how it works and it's the first time I've seen something make it this clear.

edited 28th Feb '17 6:36:27 AM by Luminosity

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#47339: Feb 28th 2017 at 6:48:12 AM

[up] I did love how the episode addressed that latter part. Being "tolerant" doesn't mean you aren't allowed to question anyone ever. And it doesn't mean you can't stand up to someone who's being an asshole.

edited 28th Feb '17 6:48:49 AM by DeathsApprentice

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#47340: Feb 28th 2017 at 7:17:26 AM
Thumped: Please see The Rules . This is a warning that this post is the sort of thing that will get you suspended.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#47342: Feb 28th 2017 at 7:28:26 AM

"Also, obligatory 'if picturing Andy as a stereotypical conservative makes it harder for you to sympathize with him as a character, you are absolutely the target audience for Gem Harvest' post."

Yes, because I should sympathize with the crowd of people who think my parents shouldn't have married because it was an interracial marriage. Excuse me for not wanting to sympathize with these people when they think my existence is a mistake.

You like the episode, fine, that's your right, I'm not gonna stop you. You're entitled to your opinion. But I've met people who were conservatives like Andy, and I can't sympathize with them, and I have every reason to.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#47344: Feb 28th 2017 at 7:38:09 AM

Hold up...Are you implying we deserve to have Trump in office?

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Oceanstuck Dark Sun, what choices have I...? from see handle Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Dark Sun, what choices have I...?
#47345: Feb 28th 2017 at 8:01:32 AM
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#47346: Feb 28th 2017 at 8:12:56 AM

The U.S. political system is not a relevant topic of discussion in this thread.

edited 28th Feb '17 8:13:01 AM by Fighteer

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#47347: Feb 28th 2017 at 8:19:06 AM

Anyways, we're all in agreement that Peridot is the best gem, right?

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#47348: Feb 28th 2017 at 8:23:30 AM

Eh, she's up there. I prefer Pearl.

Oh God! Natural light!
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Disasturbator
#47349: Feb 28th 2017 at 8:26:18 AM
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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#47350: Feb 28th 2017 at 8:36:07 AM

[up]Silly, Amethyst is a single word.


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