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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#47051: Feb 24th 2017 at 7:43:51 AM

The logistics of Pink being Blue's 'daughter' or child would be difficult given what we know about Gems, but it does bring up an interesting parallel between Steven and Blue - they're both so defined by the people they've lost, both mother and child, and by the murder of Pink. Steven is having to wrestle with the idea of Rose as a murderer and with the knowledge that there's still so many sides to her that he doesn't know, and Blue's genuine sorrow for Pink's death makes it hard to just write her off as a tyrant that needed to die. I think a lot rides on how the shattering happened and why, and that a lot of things will be made clear once we've seen it.

It's been fun.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#47052: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:51:12 AM

I just can't unsee Early Concept Art Jasper's nose as an owl beak.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#47053: Feb 24th 2017 at 9:47:08 AM

@47047 While it's obvious that "shatter" is a deliberate action meant to kill a gem, we aren't given context enough to demonstrate whether it's considered a generic term for the action along the lines of "kill" or if it implies motive and malice, like "murder." There are various story implications depending on whether "shatter" is generic or not - I think it's worth noting that the Crystal Gems (outside of Steven, who wouldn't know about any nuances in the term) explicitly avoid using the term "shatter" when they do talk about what Rose did to PD. And it's not like they're adverse to using the term - Ruby (and presumably, by extension, Garnet) has no problem calling BD a "shatterer," with the same level of contempt a human might use the word "murderer."

If "shatter" is a generic term for "kill," it's interesting because it shows how the Crystal Gems can't come to terms with the fact that Rose couldn't live up to her ideals. On the other hand, if "shatter" is more along the lines of "murder," then it suggests one of two things. One, that Rose really did murder PD but never told the details to the others, which furthers the "Rose kept too many secrets" issue thread that has been popping up ever since Lion first appeared. Two, that any violence against a Diamond, even in a battle scenario, is seen as "murder" by Homeworld, which further details what conditions are like there.

My suspicion is that "shatter" does mean "murder," and that the latter scenario is present, but we don't actually have enough detail yet to say that for sure.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#47054: Feb 24th 2017 at 11:16:08 AM

Because friendship requires a much lower level of intimacy.
If Peridot being involved in an event traumatic for Lapis is such a non-starter, why is any level of intimacy between them OK?

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#47055: Feb 24th 2017 at 11:46:41 AM

The utter seriousness in the way shattering is said and the contexts in which it is used, I think there's ample evidence to suggest it means exactly what it looks like, if not a bit worse. Heck Bismuth said she would have felt better if she were shattered instead, if only so she wouldn't have to know that she was betrayed. She even asks Steven to do it in her place.

Peridot says they'll all be shattered when the Cluster emerged, and Jasper's first response when finding Steven in the way of Lapis is an enraged "I'll shatter you!" Sounds crystal clear to me.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#47056: Feb 24th 2017 at 3:58:15 PM

New episode comes on in a few minutes.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#47057: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:01:22 PM

-grabs popcorn-

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#47058: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:02:41 PM

Yup, you can tell this is a Zuke episode from the design on Amethyst's hair.

OH GOD DAMN IT, RONALDO, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS.

edited 24th Feb '17 4:03:04 PM by AdricDePsycho

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
NegaKingKix The Absolute Madman from That one place we don't talk about anymore Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Absolute Madman
#47059: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:07:14 PM

Rocknaldo: Ohh god. Ronaldo is trying to become A Gemsona. This is just so... Cringeworthy.

"We be we baby!"
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#47060: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:08:48 PM

Jesus, Steven is actually, finally lashing out at Ronaldo. I love this.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#47061: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:11:51 PM

Well that was...not as bad as I was expecting, but it wasn't that good. Ronaldo is at least doing something good at the end, let's hope it sticks.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
NegaKingKix The Absolute Madman from That one place we don't talk about anymore Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Absolute Madman
#47062: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:12:18 PM

Good filler episode. But Ronaldo is still the least likeable character to me.

"We be we baby!"
Ruise Nyanpasu~ from your subconscious Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Nyanpasu~
#47063: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:14:10 PM

Yeeeah, Ronaldo/Bloodstone/Bloodfry/Jerknaldo is still an arse.

Also I'm pretty sure the moon was shaped like a slice of a pi chart at one point? Neat. wild mass guess

There's a lot of baggage that comes with being a "rose quartz." That's rough, buddy.

Loves feel-good animation a whole lot.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#47064: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:40:31 PM

i managed to finish the episode despite the cringing

Its already been labelled the worst episode ever, but I think that's mostly the reaction from people who feel the episode was aimed at them

edited 24th Feb '17 4:42:03 PM by Ultimatum

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#47065: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:43:10 PM

I kinda liked it to be honest. Lots of the little jokes were funny and it was nice seeing Ronaldo get yelled at.

Oh really when?
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#47066: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:43:16 PM

I liked it fine.

People who hated Ronaldo will probably still hate him, but I thought the way the Gems reacted to him was at least pretty funny.

Oh God! Natural light!
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#47067: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:45:55 PM

Remember the scene in "The Message" where the Gems all jumped away and Steven tried to follow them but couldn't? Then in this episode they did the same thing and I thought "Now Steven can do the same thing! This will be a subtle way of showing how much he's grown!" But then Steven didn't and I was sad :(

Then there was this line.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#47068: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:45:57 PM

I have this problem whoever I watch something cringe worthy I can't continue

But I managed here, but I didn't find funny

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Ruise Nyanpasu~ from your subconscious Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Nyanpasu~
#47069: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:51:21 PM

Regardless of liking Ronaldo or not...the episode was pretty heavy with the cringe.

Loves feel-good animation a whole lot.
FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#47070: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:53:24 PM

...I don't understand why the worst human characters get the most episodes focused on them.

At least there was the slightest bit of Character Development for our (least) favorite conspiracy theorist.

edited 24th Feb '17 6:01:52 PM by FawfulCrump

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#47071: Feb 24th 2017 at 4:56:17 PM

And Pearl is still unable to remember Fryrock's name.

What else did she call him this episode?

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#47072: Feb 24th 2017 at 5:01:19 PM

the worst human characters get the most episodes focused on them.
You probably mean Lars (5), Onion (3), and Ronaldo (4) but I think Greg and Connie each have more than all of those three put together.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#47073: Feb 24th 2017 at 5:03:16 PM

I really want an actual Bloodstone to show up, and be the exact opposite of Ronaldo.

Super girly and feminine and friendly, always talking about togetherness and how you need to rely on each other, etc.

FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#47074: Feb 24th 2017 at 5:03:20 PM

Well, I guess I should have specified secondary human characters. I was thinking of Ronaldo and Lars when I said that. Onion I'm okay with, however.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#47075: Feb 24th 2017 at 5:04:21 PM

[up]4 and 4 respectively dedicated episodes to the 2 least liked characters...

edited 24th Feb '17 5:04:57 PM by randomness4

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