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Rose is 100% Pink Diamond confirmed
Edit:It's pretty much confirmed at this point Rose Shattered Pink, although I don't think Pearl would be strong enough to shatter a diamond unless she fused with Rose.
edited 22nd Feb '17 2:09:56 PM by Ultimatum
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverAh, sorry, that's my bad - I shotgunned the whole of season 4 last night and I didn't mean to get details wrong.
You're right - I do think it's narratively better for Rose to have done it herself. The different facets of Rose being revealed slowly to Steven, from someone who used to just be 'everyone's mom who everyone loves', is one of the most interesting parts of the show, and it would really give her some more depth if, especially, she shattered Pink Diamond in rage or something instead of doing it with the indisputable moral high ground of 'for the greater good'. No one comes out of a war with perfectly clean hands and no regrets.
edited 22nd Feb '17 2:29:40 PM by RedSavant
It's been fun.If you don't considering shattering someone getting your hands dirty...
I'd say Bismuth came out clean.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Bismuth literally made a weapons for Rose that could shatter gems(see breaking point) and I don't see anyone using those weapons but her
It be would doubly devious if Rose had Pearl shatter Pink Diamond,why use Pearl like this I do not know,but it makes their friendship less,makes her look like she was still a servant to someone.
But no,there is no doubt in my mind,Rose shattered Pink Diamond
edited 22nd Feb '17 2:40:00 PM by Ultimatum
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverAt this point, I'm wondering less "Who is White Diamond" and more "What is White Diamond?" She's at the top of the Homeworld emblem and the murals suggest she leads (or lead) the most colonies, but Blue and Yellow didn't verbally acknowledge her in any way. Do they just care that little about her? Is she even a character in the conventional sense?
White Diamond being the fused form of several Diamonds would explain most of that, though I think that theory had some holes... I just can't remember what they were
- Centipeetle's drawing of the Diamond symbol was three Diamonds—why would she have drawn it with White but not Pink* if both were incapacitated?
- The Diamonds caused gem corruption, so they knew the Crystal Gems were gone. So why would they leave White Diamond on the Earth, to be killed by the Cluster, if they had no one resisting?
- Following the above: Pink Diamond gotten taken off the emblem just for dying, yet White Diamond is still there. If White Diamond was so hated by the others that they'd refuse to save her (or even sealed her away in the first place), why do they still keep her on the emblem?
edited 22nd Feb '17 2:46:38 PM by thatother1dude
Purely to demonstrate my previous point, I'll formulate a theory where that really was White Diamond in the Pyramid, reconciling it with all the evidence above.
Click if you dare
Of course, what I still can't account for is Burnett's suggestion that Diamonds can't be poofed or how a coverup like that could work.
I really do want the pyramid gem to be significant in some way, if only because the it was sealed away in such a bizarre, elaborate, and specific manner, even without accounting for the murals of Rose and the Diamonds. But I get the feeling it's not going to be addressed, whether or not they ever planned for it to be.
Hey, maybe White Diamond is like Dr. W. D. Gaster, and the actual story will barely even hint at what the hell happened to her.
I think "what is White Diamond" is a better question at this point. If she has so many planets, could she be the oldest Diamond, and possibly have answers to the realy big questions like where do Gems originate?
Pink made sense, we've known about her for a very long time in her sheer absence of purpose and broken symbols, but White's just...there.
It depends on when the shattering happened...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I really hope that Rose didn't use any piercing/slashing weapons to shatter Pink Diamond. I feel using her shield to bludgeon PD apart is both more geologically accurate and ironic.
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.@Sereg: Questions of romance entirely aside, at the least it's clear that Lapis and Peridot are comfortable living with each other and are adjusting fairly well. They make art together, watch bad TV shows, and even adopted a dog, and they seem to understand each other pretty well. It seems like they've both been a positive influence, even though Lapis is dealing with depression.
Edit: Also, while I do acknowledge that Eyeball saw Rose shatter Pink Diamond, she also believed that the Crystal Gems were human baseball players. She's not exactly observant.
edited 22nd Feb '17 9:47:21 PM by RedSavant
It's been fun.What kind of person uses a shield to kill someone?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.edited 23rd Feb '17 5:33:02 AM by thatother1dude
I can totally see holding off on showing White Diamond. She's been hinted to be the heavy hitter for Homeworld, the one with the most power and authority - the tone will completely shift when she's brought in. Think of it in terms of Star Wars - they didn't even mention Emperor Palpatine until the second movie released, and he didn't make a physical appearance until the third released. When you have a threat that built up, you want to be careful how you swing that hammer.
Not only that, but WD will detract from the other threats if they're still around. It's kind of like how YD and BD weren't going to be introduced as an active threat in force and in person until Jasper was taken care of - I don't think WD will come out until there's a definitive "win" for the Crystal Gems against YD and/or BD. And even that, I suspect, won't come at least until a rematch with Holly Blue (who I still think will be the next antagonist to throw down with the Crystal Gems).
Basically, I think White Diamond is the endgame for the show; when she finally makes her appearance, we're facing down the final episodes.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
Doesn't necessarily equal most powerful, just the one with the most colonies. That could mean oldest, most proactive, most organized. Her "heavy hitter" status could be predicated on the Zerg Rush for all we actually know.
I'm not saying she isn't the strongest Diamond, only that we don't really know.
edited 23rd Feb '17 6:40:31 AM by sgamer82

Re: Shipping: I actually like Snarky Lapis more than other Lapis, though I am bothered by the general inconsistency with Lapis writing (which, mind you goes along very rigidly along the line of Zuke episodes vs. not Zuke episodes). It just seems more of a natural evolution of Lapis' pent up anger and bitterness at existence itself.
Love is 100% a concept gems can and do grasp, it's just that individual love between gems is intentionally repressed by the Diamond Authority, for obvious reasons.
I'm also unconvinced that White Diamond is the Bigger Bad of the series. It'd feel like a cheap device that would exist just to make the gems have a bad guy to beat up, as if the show hasn't spent most of its time running without a primary constant threat, and as if asskicking followed by friendship aren't recurring dual motifs with the "villains" of the show. Honestly the show feels complete just with Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond, the only reason I want Pearl White Diamond is because it'd give an actual reason for White Diamond to exist.
EDIT:
Also THIS. Also also Rose not killing Pink Diamond would be absolutely moronic, narratively speaking, defeating the entire point of several episodes, including the most recent episode, and how they deal with Steven understanding Rose as a more morally ambiguous character.
edited 22nd Feb '17 2:03:53 PM by InAnOdderWay