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InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#46976: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:02:32 PM

Re: Shipping: I actually like Snarky Lapis more than other Lapis, though I am bothered by the general inconsistency with Lapis writing (which, mind you goes along very rigidly along the line of Zuke episodes vs. not Zuke episodes). It just seems more of a natural evolution of Lapis' pent up anger and bitterness at existence itself.

Love is 100% a concept gems can and do grasp, it's just that individual love between gems is intentionally repressed by the Diamond Authority, for obvious reasons.

I'm also unconvinced that White Diamond is the Bigger Bad of the series. It'd feel like a cheap device that would exist just to make the gems have a bad guy to beat up, as if the show hasn't spent most of its time running without a primary constant threat, and as if asskicking followed by friendship aren't recurring dual motifs with the "villains" of the show. Honestly the show feels complete just with Yellow Diamond and Blue Diamond, the only reason I want Pearl White Diamond is because it'd give an actual reason for White Diamond to exist.

EDIT: [up] Also THIS. Also also Rose not killing Pink Diamond would be absolutely moronic, narratively speaking, defeating the entire point of several episodes, including the most recent episode, and how they deal with Steven understanding Rose as a more morally ambiguous character.

edited 22nd Feb '17 2:03:53 PM by InAnOdderWay

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46977: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:04:53 PM

[up] I've seen one theory position that Pearl shattered Pink Diamond and Rose took the blame.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#46978: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:07:00 PM

> here

were

WITNESSES

lies eyeball is lying!(and the crystal gems too,they are lying too!)

Rose is 100% Pink Diamond confirmed

Edit:It's pretty much confirmed at this point Rose Shattered Pink, although I don't think Pearl would be strong enough to shatter a diamond unless she fused with Rose.

edited 22nd Feb '17 2:09:56 PM by Ultimatum

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#46979: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:10:50 PM

Yeah, I mean look at her. She's built like a twig.

Oh really when?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#46980: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:24:19 PM

She's just a Pearl you know?

(yes,i I do know they are being sarcastic and my response is tongue in cheek)

edited 22nd Feb '17 2:24:42 PM by Ultimatum

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#46981: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:28:38 PM

Ah, sorry, that's my bad - I shotgunned the whole of season 4 last night and I didn't mean to get details wrong.

You're right - I do think it's narratively better for Rose to have done it herself. The different facets of Rose being revealed slowly to Steven, from someone who used to just be 'everyone's mom who everyone loves', is one of the most interesting parts of the show, and it would really give her some more depth if, especially, she shattered Pink Diamond in rage or something instead of doing it with the indisputable moral high ground of 'for the greater good'. No one comes out of a war with perfectly clean hands and no regrets.

edited 22nd Feb '17 2:29:40 PM by RedSavant

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#46982: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:34:32 PM

If you don't considering shattering someone getting your hands dirty...

I'd say Bismuth came out clean.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#46983: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:36:27 PM

Bismuth literally made a weapons for Rose that could shatter gems(see breaking point) and I don't see anyone using those weapons but her

It be would doubly devious if Rose had Pearl shatter Pink Diamond,why use Pearl like this I do not know,but it makes their friendship less,makes her look like she was still a servant to someone.

But no,there is no doubt in my mind,Rose shattered Pink Diamond

edited 22nd Feb '17 2:40:00 PM by Ultimatum

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#46984: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:42:03 PM

At this point, I'm wondering less "Who is White Diamond" and more "What is White Diamond?" She's at the top of the Homeworld emblem and the murals suggest she leads (or lead) the most colonies, but Blue and Yellow didn't verbally acknowledge her in any way. Do they just care that little about her? Is she even a character in the conventional sense?

White Diamond being the fused form of several Diamonds would explain most of that, though I think that theory had some holes... I just can't remember what they were

There's an old theory that White Diamond was essentially imprisoned on Earth in the upside-down Pyramid (either after being betrayed or being defeated by Rose), which would take some political power to pull off.
I've long wondered if the pyramid gem would be important, but the third season killed that specific theory is several different ways:
  • Centipeetle's drawing of the Diamond symbol was three Diamonds—why would she have drawn it with White but not Pink if both were incapacitated?
  • The Diamonds caused gem corruption, so they knew the Crystal Gems were gone. So why would they leave White Diamond on the Earth, to be killed by the Cluster, if they had no one resisting?
  • Following the above: Pink Diamond gotten taken off the emblem just for dying, yet White Diamond is still there. If White Diamond was so hated by the others that they'd refuse to save her (or even sealed her away in the first place), why do they still keep her on the emblem?

edited 22nd Feb '17 2:46:38 PM by thatother1dude

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#46985: Feb 22nd 2017 at 3:00:18 PM

That's a very good point. I expect we'll be learning more about her soon, since this season seems to be dealing quite a lot with the Diamonds, their inner workings (to a lesser extent), and what happened at the end of the Gem War.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#46986: Feb 22nd 2017 at 4:08:01 PM

Purely to demonstrate my previous point, I'll formulate a theory where that really was White Diamond in the Pyramid, reconciling it with all the evidence above.

Click if you dare 

Of course, what I still can't account for is Burnett's suggestion that Diamonds can't be poofed or how a coverup like that could work.

I really do want the pyramid gem to be significant in some way, if only because the it was sealed away in such a bizarre, elaborate, and specific manner, even without accounting for the murals of Rose and the Diamonds. But I get the feeling it's not going to be addressed, whether or not they ever planned for it to be.


Hey, maybe White Diamond is like Dr. W. D. Gaster, and the actual story will barely even hint at what the hell happened to her.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#46987: Feb 22nd 2017 at 4:20:44 PM

I think "what is White Diamond" is a better question at this point. If she has so many planets, could she be the oldest Diamond, and possibly have answers to the realy big questions like where do Gems originate?

Pink made sense, we've known about her for a very long time in her sheer absence of purpose and broken symbols, but White's just...there.

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#46988: Feb 22nd 2017 at 8:56:19 PM

Here's an idea, what if Rose did use the Breaking Point... specifically to shatter Pink Diamond, and no-one else?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#46989: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:04:58 PM

It depends on when the shattering happened...

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#46990: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:09:06 PM

Personally, I agree with the criticisms of Lapidot. It just doesn't seem like a healthy relationship to me.

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#46991: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:11:07 PM

I really hope that Rose didn't use any piercing/slashing weapons to shatter Pink Diamond. I feel using her shield to bludgeon PD apart is both more geologically accurate and ironic.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#46992: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:45:44 PM

@Sereg: Questions of romance entirely aside, at the least it's clear that Lapis and Peridot are comfortable living with each other and are adjusting fairly well. They make art together, watch bad TV shows, and even adopted a dog, and they seem to understand each other pretty well. It seems like they've both been a positive influence, even though Lapis is dealing with depression.

Edit: Also, while I do acknowledge that Eyeball saw Rose shatter Pink Diamond, she also believed that the Crystal Gems were human baseball players. She's not exactly observant.

edited 22nd Feb '17 9:47:21 PM by RedSavant

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#46993: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:45:46 PM

What kind of person uses a shield to kill someone?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#46995: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:27:33 AM

Questions of romance entirely aside, at the least it's clear that Lapis and Peridot are comfortable living with each other and are adjusting fairly well.
I seriously have no clue why anyone would call their relationship unhealthy. If their past somehow taints any potential romantic relationship, why is them even being friends OK?

what if Rose did use the Breaking Point... specifically to shatter Pink Diamond, and no-one else?
This was brought up several times, and has the problem of "How did Rose put it back in Bismuth's workshop?"

edited 23rd Feb '17 5:33:02 AM by thatother1dude

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46996: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:37:44 AM

[up] Did Bismuth alone have access to open it? Pearl said they'd never been back there, but not that they couldn't enter. I recall Bismuth used her Gem so maybe so, but I'm not 100% clear on that

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#46997: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:41:47 AM

I can totally see holding off on showing White Diamond. She's been hinted to be the heavy hitter for Homeworld, the one with the most power and authority - the tone will completely shift when she's brought in. Think of it in terms of Star Wars - they didn't even mention Emperor Palpatine until the second movie released, and he didn't make a physical appearance until the third released. When you have a threat that built up, you want to be careful how you swing that hammer.

Not only that, but WD will detract from the other threats if they're still around. It's kind of like how YD and BD weren't going to be introduced as an active threat in force and in person until Jasper was taken care of - I don't think WD will come out until there's a definitive "win" for the Crystal Gems against YD and/or BD. And even that, I suspect, won't come at least until a rematch with Holly Blue (who I still think will be the next antagonist to throw down with the Crystal Gems).

Basically, I think White Diamond is the endgame for the show; when she finally makes her appearance, we're facing down the final episodes.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46998: Feb 23rd 2017 at 6:27:30 AM

I can totally see holding off on showing White Diamond. She's been hinted to be the heavy hitter for Homeworld, the one with the most power and authority
Has she? The only times the Diamonds have been mentioned have either been collectively (by characters or the murals) or individually when relevant to the episode's events. White Diamond has never been spoken of in any context I can think of. Is there a mural that specifically shows her in some more powerful context? I'll readily admit those kinds of hints can fly right over my, so I could easily have missed something there. The most I can remember is White being the top diamond of four on the Era 1 emblem

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#47000: Feb 23rd 2017 at 6:39:33 AM

[up] Doesn't necessarily equal most powerful, just the one with the most colonies. That could mean oldest, most proactive, most organized. Her "heavy hitter" status could be predicated on the Zerg Rush for all we actually know.

I'm not saying she isn't the strongest Diamond, only that we don't really know.

edited 23rd Feb '17 6:40:31 AM by sgamer82


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