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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#46926: Feb 21st 2017 at 9:36:39 PM

The only demons that should be in this show are succubi...and they will fight properly.

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srebak Since: Feb, 2011
#46927: Feb 21st 2017 at 9:55:09 PM

I'll just come right to the point and say this; over the past run of this ongoing series, we've heard a few less than ideal things about Rose Quartz. But, it also occurs to me that one has to also consider the reasons why she did what she did.

Bubbling Away Bismuth and not telling anyone about it - For one thing, let's try to remember that Rose obviously felt that the Breaking Point was going too far. So the way I see it; it's possible that Rose told no one about Bismuth because she was worried that other Gems on her side would actually start to agree with Bismuth and her methods. Now, at the very least, this would've caused mass desertions within her own army, because they all decided to follow bismuth's method and shatter their enemies, which probably would have led to Rose and her loyalists fighting them afterwards. And, at the very most, it would have led to vicious in-fighting within the army itself over this conflict of interests and morals, thus eliminating Homeworld's Crystal Gem problem for them. Just a theory

Rose Quartz shattering Pink Diamond - The way that people are talking about this bit of information, you would think that she did it out of a taste for blood or a lack of respect for life itself. But the fact of the matter is, she did this during a time of war, every war has casualties, and some times; taking out a high ranking member of the opposition is a necessity for victory. Also, think about it; if Rose was the type of person who would fight to make sure that the Breaking Point was never used, do you really believe that she would do something like shatter another gem for anything other than necessity? She strikes me as the kind person who would do it if she had to, but then be disgusted by it afterwards. What do you think?

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#46928: Feb 21st 2017 at 10:28:26 PM

I always assumed that she didn't tell anyone about Bismuth because everyone loved Bismuth, and believing that she went down in battle somewhere is a lot more inspiring than to know that she created a weapon designed to shatter, which might've damaged the army's resolve, knowing that even their best didn't think they had a chance as-is and whom deliberately disobeyed protocol to cross a line Rose was against even going near.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#46929: Feb 22nd 2017 at 2:01:33 AM

Wow, last time I was in this thread was back around page 291, holy crap. Hi folks, just caught up with the latest episodes and I couldn't help but want to talk about the worldbuilding, the new revelations about Rose, and the Diamonds.

It's late here so I'll have to hold off on that for now, but... for what it's worth, I hope we have at least a few Lapidot shippers around here?

Edit: Introduction pagetopper.

edited 22nd Feb '17 2:01:56 AM by RedSavant

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Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#46932: Feb 22nd 2017 at 5:50:01 AM

I've never really felt Lapidot, so I'm pretty apathetic to it. Though that may just be because I'm pretty apathetic to shipping in general. The Lapidot fanart I see is cute, though.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#46933: Feb 22nd 2017 at 6:06:53 AM

Iapidot 4 life!

Seriously though,that's the only ship I think is sea worthy,aside shipping all the rubies together because I think it's funny.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#46934: Feb 22nd 2017 at 6:12:16 AM

Gasp how could you say that about Garnet

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#46935: Feb 22nd 2017 at 7:18:32 AM

I'm very much anti-Lapidot. I feel there is too much baggage there related to the positions the two were in on the journey to Earth (namely, echoes of Stockholm Syndrome and Lima Syndrome for Lapis and Peri, respectively). At the moment, I'm more fond of Lapis being an independent woman, making her own way in the world. And, oddly, Bismuth/Peridot - I think they could moderate each other well.

As for Rose Quartz being justified in what she did... oh, I could totally see that. With the caveat that we're not privy to all the details of each one of Rose's more controversial decisions, I can easily see that the options Rose took were either the best solution for the juncture points in question, or at the very least she chose the option that seemed the best. That said, given what we know about Rose, that wouldn't stop her from feeling guilty over her inability to always live up to the ideals she espoused.

I won't get into details, but I totally get that - you don't always get a good choice. Sometimes, you gamble and hope that you made the least bad choice. I made one of those choices, once. Everyone, particularly the person I made the choice for, tells me that I made the best choice. I still feel guilty over the consequences of that choice. That doesn't go away, and I've only had to deal with one such choice for a couple decades. Rose dealt with at least two (shattering PD and bubbling Bis - and for all we know, she may have also felt guilt for starting the war, or for things we haven't learned of yet) for millennia.

I think wondering about whether or not Rose was justified is besides the point. I think, under it all, she was maybe the saddest of the Crystal Gems. Relatedly, part of why Greg was so important is because he was the first being... heck, maybe even the first anything, that let Rose feel joy for the first time in ages. As time goes on, I just feel pity for her. For all that the others saw her as the best of them, I more and more think she saw herself as the worst.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46936: Feb 22nd 2017 at 7:22:46 AM

Is there really that much baggage? They were together for a relatively short time, by Gem standards. I'd say Lapis' baggage with Jasper far outweighs anything to do with Peridot, and she's working her way past that, going by Alone At Sea. I could see Lapidot being a Thing.

That said, I tend to view their relationship more platonically in general to begin with .

edited 22nd Feb '17 7:23:05 AM by sgamer82

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#46937: Feb 22nd 2017 at 7:25:42 AM

I'm not personally fond of Lapidot. It's just not a dynamic I can enjoy.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#46938: Feb 22nd 2017 at 7:26:20 AM

It's not my favorite either. I love them as friends but not as a couple.

Oh really when?
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#46939: Feb 22nd 2017 at 7:47:26 AM

Honestly? Same here.

Besides, Jaspidot is clearly the superior ship. tongue (But it doesn't top Ruby x Ruby x Ruby x Ruby x Ruby. Best ship ever.)

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#46940: Feb 22nd 2017 at 7:49:11 AM

I'm surprised no one has suggested a Lapis and Steven fusion since Steven did free her in first place, so she does have a reason for a stronger relationship(to me at least) with him,then say,Peridot

Plus Steven gets to fly!(his mother could too,but that power was never passed on to him)

What would you call their fusion anyway..

edited 22nd Feb '17 7:50:00 AM by Ultimatum

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#46941: Feb 22nd 2017 at 7:55:22 AM

[up] Blue Quartz?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#46942: Feb 22nd 2017 at 7:55:25 AM

I think it will be a while before Lapis feels comfortable with fusing again

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#46943: Feb 22nd 2017 at 8:05:35 AM

@46933 Yeah, Lapis' issues with Jasper were so much deeper and more toxic. I won't deny that. But just because Lapis' issues with Jasper were worse does not mean that what happened between Lapis and Peridot should be overlooked.

Put simply, Lapis spent millennia being imprisoned by a succession of other gems. Even if one particular gem was the nicest of those captors and held her for the shortest amount of time, that doesn't change the fact that said gem contributed to the biggest issue that Lapis Lazuli has to deal with psychologically. I don't think it's fair to ship her with any of the gems that were in that position.

And if you look at it, of the gems that we've seen on the show, the only gem that you couldn't say that about was Steven, and a) he's a bit too young to be shipped with Lapis, and b) he's going to be with Connie anyhow. I wouldn't mind to see them fuse (similar to how Smoky Quartz happened, though I have no idea what gem would result from Steven/Lapis). Heck, as a sign of trust and forgiveness, I wouldn't mind seeing Lapis fuse with any Crystal Gem to deal with a difficult foe. But relationship-wise, the closest I could get to any pairing for Lapis would be, of all things, Skinny Jasper (yes, yes, I know why that's ludicrous, but it'd be an interesting counterpoint to her relationship with Buff Jasper).

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#46944: Feb 22nd 2017 at 8:10:05 AM

It is perhaps notable that the one Gem Lapis chooses to associate with is the weakest and least able to hurt or imprison her again.

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Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#46945: Feb 22nd 2017 at 8:27:13 AM

I really don't think Lapis and Peridot are super toxic for each other or anything.

They're both outsiders to the main Gems. They've both been on the wrong side and have done bad things, and have learned to grow out of it.

It's a helluva lot better than the hot mess that's Jasper/Lapis.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#46946: Feb 22nd 2017 at 8:37:48 AM

Eh, I'd really rather the show just avoid confirming or denying any ships beyond Garnet, Greg & Rose, Steven & Connie, and Pearl & Mystery Girl. Each of those serves a purpose, imo, and I just do not want to deal with shipping wars getting worse.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46947: Feb 22nd 2017 at 8:48:09 AM

I think it will be a while before Lapis feels comfortable with fusing again
Assuming it happens on purpose. Steven's first fusions with Connie and Amethyst were spontaneous. Something similar could easily happen with another Gem Steven was close to.

EDIT: Incidentally, has it occurred to anyone that Steven almost never dances to fuse? The first two times with Connie are about it, unless I'm forgetting something.

edited 22nd Feb '17 8:50:18 AM by sgamer82

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#46948: Feb 22nd 2017 at 8:48:15 AM

I am fine with Lapis overcoming her depression and finding love.

Shipping wars are dumb.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#46949: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:18:09 AM

You know that scene in "That Will Be All" where the Gems school Holly Blue? Well the Gems don't use their Bismuth upgrades. Pearl uses a spear, not a trident, and Garnet's fists don't have the extra bit on the knuckles.

Ninjaxenomorph The best and the worst. from Texas, Texas, Texas Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
The best and the worst.
#46950: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:52:30 AM

Yeah, I guessed they stop using them for whatever reason. Makes the Bismuth episode feel even more like a Non-Serial Movie.

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