I'll just come right to the point and say this; over the past run of this ongoing series, we've heard a few less than ideal things about Rose Quartz. But, it also occurs to me that one has to also consider the reasons why she did what she did.
Bubbling Away Bismuth and not telling anyone about it - For one thing, let's try to remember that Rose obviously felt that the Breaking Point was going too far. So the way I see it; it's possible that Rose told no one about Bismuth because she was worried that other Gems on her side would actually start to agree with Bismuth and her methods. Now, at the very least, this would've caused mass desertions within her own army, because they all decided to follow bismuth's method and shatter their enemies, which probably would have led to Rose and her loyalists fighting them afterwards. And, at the very most, it would have led to vicious in-fighting within the army itself over this conflict of interests and morals, thus eliminating Homeworld's Crystal Gem problem for them. Just a theory
Rose Quartz shattering Pink Diamond - The way that people are talking about this bit of information, you would think that she did it out of a taste for blood or a lack of respect for life itself. But the fact of the matter is, she did this during a time of war, every war has casualties, and some times; taking out a high ranking member of the opposition is a necessity for victory. Also, think about it; if Rose was the type of person who would fight to make sure that the Breaking Point was never used, do you really believe that she would do something like shatter another gem for anything other than necessity? She strikes me as the kind person who would do it if she had to, but then be disgusted by it afterwards. What do you think?
I always assumed that she didn't tell anyone about Bismuth because everyone loved Bismuth, and believing that she went down in battle somewhere is a lot more inspiring than to know that she created a weapon designed to shatter, which might've damaged the army's resolve, knowing that even their best didn't think they had a chance as-is and whom deliberately disobeyed protocol to cross a line Rose was against even going near.
Wow, last time I was in this thread was back around page 291, holy crap. Hi folks, just caught up with the latest episodes and I couldn't help but want to talk about the worldbuilding, the new revelations about Rose, and the Diamonds.
It's late here so I'll have to hold off on that for now, but... for what it's worth, I hope we have at least a few Lapidot shippers around here?
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edited 22nd Feb '17 2:01:56 AM by RedSavant
It's been fun.I'm very much anti-Lapidot. I feel there is too much baggage there related to the positions the two were in on the journey to Earth (namely, echoes of Stockholm Syndrome and Lima Syndrome for Lapis and Peri, respectively). At the moment, I'm more fond of Lapis being an independent woman, making her own way in the world. And, oddly, Bismuth/Peridot - I think they could moderate each other well.
As for Rose Quartz being justified in what she did... oh, I could totally see that. With the caveat that we're not privy to all the details of each one of Rose's more controversial decisions, I can easily see that the options Rose took were either the best solution for the juncture points in question, or at the very least she chose the option that seemed the best. That said, given what we know about Rose, that wouldn't stop her from feeling guilty over her inability to always live up to the ideals she espoused.
I won't get into details, but I totally get that - you don't always get a good choice. Sometimes, you gamble and hope that you made the least bad choice. I made one of those choices, once. Everyone, particularly the person I made the choice for, tells me that I made the best choice. I still feel guilty over the consequences of that choice. That doesn't go away, and I've only had to deal with one such choice for a couple decades. Rose dealt with at least two (shattering PD and bubbling Bis - and for all we know, she may have also felt guilt for starting the war, or for things we haven't learned of yet) for millennia.
I think wondering about whether or not Rose was justified is besides the point. I think, under it all, she was maybe the saddest of the Crystal Gems. Relatedly, part of why Greg was so important is because he was the first being... heck, maybe even the first anything, that let Rose feel joy for the first time in ages. As time goes on, I just feel pity for her. For all that the others saw her as the best of them, I more and more think she saw herself as the worst.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.Is there really that much baggage? They were together for a relatively short time, by Gem standards. I'd say Lapis' baggage with Jasper far outweighs anything to do with Peridot, and she's working her way past that, going by Alone At Sea. I could see Lapidot being a Thing.
That said, I tend to view their relationship more platonically in general to begin with .
edited 22nd Feb '17 7:23:05 AM by sgamer82
I'm surprised no one has suggested a Lapis and Steven fusion since Steven did free her in first place, so she does have a reason for a stronger relationship(to me at least) with him,then say,Peridot
Plus Steven gets to fly!(his mother could too,but that power was never passed on to him)
What would you call their fusion anyway..
edited 22nd Feb '17 7:50:00 AM by Ultimatum
have a listen and have a link to my discord serverI think it will be a while before Lapis feels comfortable with fusing again
Forever liveblogging the Avengers@46933 Yeah, Lapis' issues with Jasper were so much deeper and more toxic. I won't deny that. But just because Lapis' issues with Jasper were worse does not mean that what happened between Lapis and Peridot should be overlooked.
Put simply, Lapis spent millennia being imprisoned by a succession of other gems. Even if one particular gem was the nicest of those captors and held her for the shortest amount of time, that doesn't change the fact that said gem contributed to the biggest issue that Lapis Lazuli has to deal with psychologically. I don't think it's fair to ship her with any of the gems that were in that position.
And if you look at it, of the gems that we've seen on the show, the only gem that you couldn't say that about was Steven, and a) he's a bit too young to be shipped with Lapis, and b) he's going to be with Connie anyhow. I wouldn't mind to see them fuse (similar to how Smoky Quartz happened, though I have no idea what gem would result from Steven/Lapis). Heck, as a sign of trust and forgiveness, I wouldn't mind seeing Lapis fuse with any Crystal Gem to deal with a difficult foe. But relationship-wise, the closest I could get to any pairing for Lapis would be, of all things, Skinny Jasper (yes, yes, I know why that's ludicrous, but it'd be an interesting counterpoint to her relationship with Buff Jasper).
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.It is perhaps notable that the one Gem Lapis chooses to associate with is the weakest and least able to hurt or imprison her again.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersEDIT: Incidentally, has it occurred to anyone that Steven almost never dances to fuse? The first two times with Connie are about it, unless I'm forgetting something.
edited 22nd Feb '17 8:50:18 AM by sgamer82
Yeah, I guessed they stop using them for whatever reason. Makes the Bismuth episode feel even more like a Non-Serial Movie.
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