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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#46601: Feb 11th 2017 at 10:50:51 AM

Alone at sea, right before Jasper appears, is where Lapis admits that she liked being in control of someone for once, and that what scares her; she missed that power.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#46602: Feb 11th 2017 at 10:51:15 AM

She didn't break down in guilt because of Greg...the only reason she cared about that was because of Steven.

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#46603: Feb 11th 2017 at 10:56:31 AM

Lapis broke down in guilt over Greg to Steven. She shows no signs of remorse to Greg when he is present.

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#46604: Feb 11th 2017 at 11:00:38 AM

Okay but that's not a tendency that's Lapis abusing Jasper because of her own anger and helplessness and then becoming horrified and guilty when she had time to think about it.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#46605: Feb 11th 2017 at 11:08:40 AM

> Some people were expecting to see a Peridot/Lapis fusion in this episode.

Like me!

It it's OK though,i'm watching it right now!

It might happen one day

hope spring eternal!

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#46606: Feb 11th 2017 at 11:11:20 AM

It was in an interview. Sugar said that emotional manipulation is a large part of Lapis' character.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#46607: Feb 11th 2017 at 11:11:22 AM

It was a much-needed Connie episode. I wish her appearances were less infrequent.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46608: Feb 11th 2017 at 11:47:05 AM

In regards to the latest episode, I do agree that Peridot and Lapis were kind of obnoxious, which is a shame since Peridot is normally my favorite character.

You say that as if Peridot being obnoxious isn't most of her character?

[up]I kind of like that, despite the cast expanding and other characters getting enough focus to feel like real people, the show is still very much aware of where the main focus lies, and that's on Steven and the three original Chrystal Gems. And maybe Greg.

edited 11th Feb '17 11:50:51 AM by LSBK

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#46609: Feb 11th 2017 at 11:53:26 AM

Sugar said that Margo and Ben (an indie comic she worked on) was a "story about emotional manipulation" was an inspiration for Lapis she did not say that Lapis is a manipulative character.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#46611: Feb 11th 2017 at 12:22:46 PM

[up][up][up]She still needs to appear more...that one episode isn't enough to show the results of training focus.

She's to become a primer...because she's cool.

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Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#46612: Feb 11th 2017 at 12:40:03 PM

[up][up][up] The comic was called Margo in Bed, not Margo and Ben.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46613: Feb 11th 2017 at 12:40:09 PM

I remember something else from a while back, maybe a tweet or an interview with Rebecca Sugar or another writer, and they mentioned something about Lapis being manipulative. Nothing to do with Sugar's previous comic.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#46614: Feb 11th 2017 at 12:43:34 PM

> Lapis & Peridot on the beach

[tup]

only thing that's missing is Peridot's triangle head,

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#46615: Feb 11th 2017 at 12:45:42 PM

Laperi on the beach on a cloudy day, testing Peri's inventions. Beaudelaire style.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Ruise Nyanpasu~ from your subconscious Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Nyanpasu~
#46616: Feb 11th 2017 at 12:49:04 PM

TBF, I can't imagine Steven would be all that comfortable sharing a ship with someone who literally tried to disembowel him the last time they saw each other.

I would think Steven's guilt over leaving the Rubies hanging around in space until they get crushed by space debris is a bit more than "not being all that comfortable" seeing as how we had an episode (partially) about it. Plus they could bubble them. I love this show, but it's like they have a code of stretching every plot arc to last 60 episodes. I was amazed they did the space-reconnaissance arc in a nice, tidy 5-episode mini-series, it was imho the best writing we've had.

BUT yeah, Connie is always awesome. smile

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#46617: Feb 11th 2017 at 1:00:01 PM

Lapis is essentially the protagonist of Margo in Bed, a story Rebecca said is about emotional manipulation. Lapis' story is about manipulation; while Lapis can be manipulative (tricking Jasper, for example), she is not manipulative all the time.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#46619: Feb 11th 2017 at 3:05:36 PM

I would think Steven's guilt over leaving the Rubies hanging around in space until they get crushed by space debris is a bit more than "not being all that comfortable" seeing as how we had an episode (partially) about it.
He specifically was thinking of Eyeball—and his anxiety wasn't guilt for leaving her in space, it was for failing to change her mind about anything.

The nonchalant way he talked about the Rubies in "Adventure in Light Distortion" suggests Steven did not feel very guilty for helping shoot them out the airlock.

edited 11th Feb '17 3:06:09 PM by thatother1dude

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#46620: Feb 11th 2017 at 3:17:41 PM

Steven: "None of them would let me help them"

Gems are the aggressors.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46621: Feb 11th 2017 at 3:24:54 PM

One of the things I've always liked about Steven is that, while he obviously prefers nonviolent solutions, he understands that there are times you have to fight. He's proven that he can and will defend himself, even if he hates having to fight back.

As I type this, it occurs to me that all of the three Gems Steven was forced to hurt or otherwise failed (Jasper, Eyeball, Bismuth) have one thing in common, they saw him as Rose Quartz (it's one reason in fact I thought Gems don't necessarily identify one another purely with vision). I wonder if one reason now he particularly regarded his dealing with them as failures on his part was because he couldn't make them see he wasn't Rose?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#46622: Feb 11th 2017 at 3:49:52 PM

Well he does have Rose's gem, so ,logically he must be Rose ,part of the problem that she changed into him,how do you explain in a way that a gem would understand?The Crystal gems barely it understood either

The weird thing is how Jasper and Bismuth had the same reaction when they thought he was Rose,like she used gems after they were worthless

edited 11th Feb '17 4:23:06 PM by Ultimatum

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46623: Feb 11th 2017 at 4:41:22 PM

Though I think they thought that for different reasons. Jasper, per Evil Cannot Comprehend Good, thought it was a manipulation technique. Find the lowest and offer to bring them up and they'll follow you blindly. For Bismuth, it was more like she gave them hope but, at least in her case, seemed to rip it away.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#46624: Feb 11th 2017 at 5:21:28 PM

The biggest problem with "The New Crystal Gems" is that the conflict was them rushing into an obviously bad idea, abandoning it, then resolving everything offscreen. I feel like Connie's talk should have been halfway through the episode, not the climax of it.

Also, Lapis and Peridot made amends for trashing the carwash, but endangering people's lives just so they can show off was much worse.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#46625: Feb 11th 2017 at 5:34:56 PM

It might as well have been a typical season 1 MotW episode but with a different group dynamic...

edited 11th Feb '17 5:35:56 PM by randomness4

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