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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#46076: Jan 29th 2017 at 2:36:49 PM

Rare to me says fewer then a hundred,but that's just a feeling I'm getting,there's something special about the Sapphire gems,they have this single eye that makes them so different from the gems we've seen so far

Here's hoping we see more Sapphires in future episodes!

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#46077: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:54:49 PM

My guess is that Sapphires are generally blind to the fact that "most likely" does not equal "most definitely" when it comes to future probabilities. Let's say that Sapphire saw life as a series of 99.9% possibilities. Sure, it makes sense that any given one of those 99.9% probabilities is going to land. 10 in a row, sure - the odds dip down to around 99% of any given series of ten 99.9% probabilities will happen. Stretch it out to 100 in a row, and the odds dip down to 90.4% - nearly a 1 in 10 chance that one of those possibilities comes up in the 0.1%. It does eventually get down to around 50/50 (not going to do the entire iteration, but my back-of-the-envelope math says that it would be at around 560 in a row). And that's obviously just if the probability was as high as 99.9% - if the odds are lower, then the predictions will fall apart sooner. It happens that, for Crystal Gem Sapphire, that occurrence happened right at the most dramatic time possible.

What Garnet has, between Ruby's influence and Sapphire's experience, is the knowledge of "most likely" in terms of exactly what it means. Even if Garnet sees only one future in a given scenario (which, so far as we know, she hasn't), she can still go ahead knowing that it isn't set in stone.

Also... since it came up in the thread, I'll say that Lapidot makes me uncomfortable. I like Lapis, and I like Peridot... but even with "Barn Mates," I feel like a relationship between the two has too many Stockholm Syndrome and Lima Syndrome vibes. I mean, even assuming that Peridot was the kindest interrogator ever (which certainly was not the suggestion previous episodes gave), there was still a clear captor-captive dynamic between the two. I know it's not as vividly destructive and harmful as the similar dynamic that Lapis had with Japser (and yes, I know that gets shipped to this day, but I obviously have even less positive opinions on that), but it's still an unhealthy dynamic. I mean, really, is there anyone with whom Lapis could have a healthy and mature romantic relationship? The only cast member that's a gem and that didn't effectively hold Lapis captive was Steven, and he's too young (you could argue that Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl didn't know, but I don't know if Lapis would consider that an acceptable answer today any more than she would have back in "Ocean Gem").

Maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of rooting for Lapis to be asexual - let Peridot discover herself and find romance with someone, sure, but maybe not with the person who was in a cell that Peri controlled at one point.

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#46078: Jan 29th 2017 at 5:22:15 PM

I dislike how Lapidot was handled and am far happier with Amedot. But honestly I think it's heavily implied that Jasper was the main one handling the interrogation. Lapis is shown to care both about who captured here and who kept her captured. That's the reason she was mad at the Crystal Gems despite them having nothing to do with her being the the mirror in the first place.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#46079: Jan 29th 2017 at 5:37:56 PM

Peridot said she was the one who interrogated Lapis in Barn Mates though, remember?

Oh really when?
RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#46081: Jan 29th 2017 at 6:45:45 PM

Lapis's specific complaint was that Peridot "dragged [her] back to Earth". She didn't seem to care about the interrogation.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#46082: Jan 29th 2017 at 6:46:29 PM

Peri brings up the interrogation, and admits she was the one doing it.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#46083: Jan 29th 2017 at 6:48:20 PM

I don't think it can be Stockholm syndrome by definition.

Lapis' positive feelings to Peridot didn't happen when she was still imprisoned.

They happened after she was freed when the power balance shifted way toward Lapis.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#46084: Jan 29th 2017 at 6:49:10 PM

Does Stockholm Syndrome apply here, since Lapis is in no way a captive now? It always struck me that she and Peridot reached some understanding offscreen.

edited 29th Jan '17 6:49:22 PM by sgamer82

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#46085: Jan 29th 2017 at 6:55:01 PM

Also, just because there's some bad history, doesn't mean Peridot hasn't changed for the better and their relationship can't be mended. Their friendship is clearly functioning fine, why wouldn't a romance?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#46086: Jan 29th 2017 at 6:55:04 PM

I think the Ruby squad showing up and Peridot's reaction convinced Lapis that Peridot had truly turned against Homeworld and also was kind of too harmless to be a problem.

So thats why she agreed to live with her.

And then they bonded over Camp Pining Hearts and meepmorps. Stuff that Peridot introduced to Lapis to get her mind off stuff. Or because Peridot is the kind of fan who would try to share their interests with everyone.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#46088: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:49:14 PM

For some reason, the first line of this song (along with the way it's sung) makes me think of SU.

"Look... at... her (look at him!)"

I don't know why this seems so SU-ish to me, especially since the song is nowhere near SU's style.

Lyrics start at 0:27.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#46089: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:18:09 AM

Well, there are arguments over whether Stockholm Syndrome can develop only during the period of captivity or after the fact, which is why I admittedly weaseled and said "vibes of." That said, I do think that Stockholm Syndrome isn't necessarily confined to developing during the period of captivity in question.

As for some "offscreen understanding," I could accept that for becoming uneasy companions, and I could accept that if the characters in question didn't have some heavy history between them (for example, to pull a random pair out of my ass, if Sadie and Jenny suddenly became a couple - out of left field, sure, but I can't see a reason why it wouldn't happen that couldn't be handwaved easily). Lapis' issues are legion, intense, and some of them are connected to what she went through at Peridot's hands, even if Peridot wasn't the prime instigator of any of it.

For what it's worth, I'm not the biggest fan of Amedot either, but in that case, I could see it happening much more easily. Peridot still has a bit of a pedestal that she puts Amethyst onto (albeit not nearly as large of one), and Amethyst doesn't seem like she'd even want a relationship at the moment. That said, those issues would be way easier to resolve, though I'd personally prefer a few episodes to show development rather than forcing it into one. In the case of Amedot, my issues are more "they need to grow more as people" rather than "that feels like Unfortunate Implications".

As a side note, of course, as Steven and Amethyst showed in "Earthlings," intense camaraderie is a perfectly valid condition for fusion to happen. If Amedot did result in fusion, I'd bet that would be the trigger for those two, too.

In terms of a complete tangent, something I've been wondering, regarding fusion... I'm not really sure the down-and-dirty on how and why every gem knows what each fusion is supposed to be. I mean, it's pretty clear that they can tell a fusion on sight (Jasper immediately pegged Garnet as one in "The Arrival"). And presumably, gems have a fairly innate understanding of what will happen when two different gems fuse (fusions know their new gem type pretty quick, as both Malachite and Smoky Quartz demonstrated). And presumably, this is pre-programmed into gems when they're formed... but I'm at a loss as to why. Cross-caste fusion is supposed to be forbidden, and it seems like new gem types are still available to be discovered (to flip over to the real world, we're still discovering new types of gem to this day). And it's not like you can always see the multiple gems to know that the gems in question are a fusion (Garnet not only was already making fists when Jasper saw her, but she was wearing her gauntlets, further hiding her gems). Seems like gems know a lot more about fusion than they'd ever need according to the Diamonds' plans. I could see learning what a fusion is via trial-and-error, but it seems that's not necessary.

EDIT: For clarity, as per below.

edited 30th Jan '17 7:29:28 AM by 32_Footsteps

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#46090: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:21:30 AM

What evidence is there that there's no Quartz from other planets?

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#46091: Jan 30th 2017 at 7:27:36 AM

So far as I know, there are plenty of types of quartz from other planets. Nobody has ever said otherwise.

If you mean specific types of quartz, you're right, my assumption and mistake.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#46092: Jan 30th 2017 at 8:31:41 AM

Sadie/what? I know that's the point, but that's the last couple combination I could think of on this show, behind Pearl/Vidalia.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#46093: Jan 30th 2017 at 8:35:28 AM

I deliberately picked two characters where the only major issue I could find with the pairing was "I'm not sure they have even met," which is a much smaller issue to resolve (and thus easier to do offscreen) than "one was once the jailer to the other." I don't actually ship it; it's just supposed to be an easily understood example.

EDIT: I actually did briefly consider using Pearl as one half of the example, but Pearl does have an issue beyond who she's met - "That person is not and does not resemble Rose Quartz."

edited 30th Jan '17 8:36:53 AM by 32_Footsteps

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#46094: Jan 30th 2017 at 9:04:07 AM

Not "met"..."interacted"...this city is so small, there's no way they haven't met.

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#46095: Jan 30th 2017 at 10:10:09 AM

Have Sadie and Kiki ever interacted? Because I know I've seen them being shipped together.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#46096: Jan 30th 2017 at 10:29:43 AM

No they haven't, they're barely even in the same episodes.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#46097: Jan 30th 2017 at 12:13:39 PM

As much as I want to Peridot fuse with Lapis part of me thinks she would never go that far,I fully expect to see it brought up at some point followed by Peridot's negative reaction

edited 30th Jan '17 12:22:48 PM by Ultimatum

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BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#46098: Jan 30th 2017 at 12:45:33 PM

So, I checked my channel guide just to make sure I don't miss the new episodes, and I noticed something.

They're giving a three-hour block of SU episodes before the premiere, from "It Could've Been Great" to "Buddy's Book", in order. However, the block does not include "Log Date 7 15 2", "Kindergarten Kid", and "Know Your Fusion". Also not included is every episode from "Steven Floats" to "Bismuth".

The episodes they chose to show before the premiere are definitely indicative of what they want viewers to remember before the premiere. Maybe we'll see a return of (at least one of) the Ruby Squad and/or Corrupted Jasper. At the very least, they're trying to remind everyone of the biggest plot points from the last two seasons. Ending it with "Buddy's Book", combined with the teaser card makes it pretty obvious where they're going for the opening episode.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#46099: Jan 30th 2017 at 12:50:17 PM

The title "Out of this world" only suggests that former theory...with the Rubles...

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#46100: Jan 30th 2017 at 1:02:06 PM

Remember the part in Historical Friction where Jamie says he'll play all the other parts besides Dewey? Then Steven says "All of them?" and Jamie answers "All of them!" It reminds me of this. I'd love to see a mashup of the two videos.


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