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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#45926: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:51:09 PM

The resource shortage is probably the main reason Gem empire didn't swiftly reconquer the earth after the corruption hit
No, that was because they decided to sacrifice the Earth to incubate the Cluster and thus didn't care if anyone survived the corruption wave.

If the Diamond murals are anything to go by, Homeworld had around 30 planets 6000 years ago. With the resource shortage, who knows how much they've expanded.
Every planet need not have the same amount of resources, so even that's not tremendously informative. We don't know how fast they can convert resources into gems either.

Eyeball said Rose's healing was capable of "keeping her small army in contention with the superior forces of Homeworld." Until there's evidence to the contrary, I'm assuming Homeworld were genuinely unable to defeat the rebellion without the corruption wave, Rose killing Pink Diamond was not a fluke, and Bismuth's goal to destroy all the Diamonds was more than a pipe dream.

Maybe they were at war with something else, at the same time the rebellion was going on.
It's a question that's been asked before several times: If Homeworld haven't had a previous rebellion or encountered other lifeforms that were a threat to gems, why are so many of them dedicated to fighting?

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#45927: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:56:49 PM

I think there has to be more alien species. Maybe not going as far as some and saying that there is a bigger threat out there (though I do really like the idea), but YD's disdain for organic life doesn't sound like it started with Earth.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#45928: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:03:25 PM

[up]That still leaves the possibility that gems and humans are the only sapient species in the universe.

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#45929: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:12:32 PM

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Defending Earth via a guerilla war is a very different game than actually invading Homeworld. I imagine the Crystal Gems would typically try to avoid open confrontation unless they had no choice, and if they were actually to invade Homeworld they would have to, and things would end poorly.

They could shatter Pink Diamond because she was on the planet, defending her colony. The other Diamonds may also have been in the system, but I doubt they spent most of the war physically on Earth.

Anyway, I would be completely flabbergasted if humans and gems are the only intelligent species. The gems are designed for war and conquest, which makes no sense if the only species they encountered were humans.

edited 15th Jan '17 6:13:52 PM by SilentColossus

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45930: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:16:48 PM

Or at least if not, they're the answer to the Suniverse's Fermi Paradox.

The only doubt about this is it'd be pretty late in the series now to introduce more aliens.

edited 15th Jan '17 6:20:56 PM by darkabomination

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#45931: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:19:32 PM

There were probably a few other sentient species crushed by Homeworld, but I think there has to be some sort of advanced life form that was in conflict with the Gems at one point. Although they could have been encountered early on in Homeworld's life, thus spurring a warlike conquest kick that never that they never fell out of.

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#45932: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:21:32 PM

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They don't need to play a role or even be properly be introduced beyond "they exist and don't get along with Homeworld." Or "Homeworld has defeated species more advanced than humanity and conquered their planets."

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And that.

edited 15th Jan '17 6:22:05 PM by SilentColossus

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45933: Jan 15th 2017 at 6:59:05 PM

I could see it as finding ruins of planets scattered across the galaxy, but that would mean sure proof that the Gems have genocided entire species. It would be very hard to sympathize with Homeworld after that, especially the Diamonds.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#45934: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:20:32 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Homeworld is an expansionist, colonialist empire. Whether or not the Diamonds are sympathetic is up for grabs (Leak spoilers we can talk more about that in the leak thread.) but they're still villains.

Homeworld had no reservations about destroying the Earth and humanity. I doubt any other species or planet would be treated differently.

edited 15th Jan '17 7:27:04 PM by SilentColossus

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#45935: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:35:43 PM

OK, so I browsed some Steven Universe related videos, and I ended up getting videos recommended to me by some guy who seems to be mocking the show a lot or something. There's some video he did that keeps getting recommended the most called "The Boundless Tolerance of the Steven Universe fandom", and I think we can tell what it's about at a cursory glance.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#45936: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:37:46 PM

Thinking it over, what Eyeball said about Rose's healing making all the difference probably wasn't true—it really just sounds like an excuse for Homeworld underperforming compared to the Crystal Gems.

Homeworld had no reservations about destroying the Earth and humanity. I doubt any other species or planet would be treated differently.
The point raised was more of a Doylist one: That a character having the intent or willingness to do something is treated differently than explicitly, successfully doing so, even if that doesn't make sense in terms of moral judgement.

Lapis and Peridot both tried to kill Steven (and Connie in the former case) in cases where they were not at all threatened by them. Can you imagine their characters being the same if they succeeded?

edited 15th Jan '17 7:40:40 PM by thatother1dude

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#45937: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:39:44 PM

@Adric: At a cursory glance, I would assume the title is scathingly sarcastic.

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#45938: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:43:11 PM

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No, but Lapis and Peridot are not villains in the same way the Diamonds are. Lapis is sympathetic from the start and Peridot is terrified of a sticker.

And indeed. The Diamonds already created the Cluster and gem experiments. They already corrupted their own people.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#45939: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:48:21 PM

Yeah, that's my point. I haven't actually watched the video because I'm honestly not interested in hearing somebody rant about the Steven Universe fanbase for 20 minutes.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#45940: Jan 15th 2017 at 7:54:31 PM

[up][up]The Peridot Gem was communicating from a HW base...she really had no reason to attack young Steven...

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#45941: Jan 15th 2017 at 9:15:36 PM

No, but Peridot's antics throughout make her less threatening and less "villainous", to an extent. Peridot rapidly descends into Harmless Villain, especially after Jasper and the ship are lost. She is also a very small cog in the system; I typically do not like using Just Following Orders or Culture Justifies Everything as excuses, but these actions do show the attitudes instilled by Homeworld and thus, the Diamonds.

Humans or "Stevens" are an infestation in the Kindergarten like cockroaches or ants, and must be removed. Peridot is very casual about it, as well. Even if she has never done it herself, she is likely informed on how to handle an infested Kindergarten.

edited 15th Jan '17 9:16:52 PM by SilentColossus

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45942: Jan 15th 2017 at 9:30:04 PM

I hope you don't mean throughout the rest of that scene...because that was just her being understandably shocked at Gems being there.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#45943: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:33:31 PM

No, but Lapis and Peridot are not villains in the same way the Diamonds are.
Point is, it would pretty drastically limit how sympathetic/redeemable Homeworld as a whole could be.

The Cluster experiments were apparently done by a few gems (and we're unlikely to see who; it was pretty significant that Peridot did not meaningfully participate in it) under the Diamonds orders. The Diamonds seemingly corrupted gems personally.

If the gems have already completely annihilated multiple sapient species... well, then what? It's a bit of a karmic dead end. It would mean an indeterminately large portion of the gems bear the weight of atrocities that can't be meaningfully atoned (or accounted) for.

And I'm not saying they couldn't have, just that the show may avoid making such a thing explicit.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45944: Jan 16th 2017 at 9:27:13 AM

It's enough that we're shown Lapis and Peridot were once willing to do it, and Lapis definitely tried, though you could make the argument she didn't know that humans could drown and die if put under water without air.

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#45946: Jan 16th 2017 at 10:49:03 AM

> If Homeworld haven't had a previous rebellion or encountered other lifeforms that were a threat to gems, why are so many of them dedicated to fighting?

The show hasn't gone for a prophesy approach but,you have gems that can see the future (sapphires) so it could be linked to how they see the future,chances are there were supposed to be countless threats to their empire but the gems just conquer them before the threat emerges,their empire is basically unstoppable because they always know what threat is coming and where,

edited 16th Jan '17 12:08:21 PM by Ultimatum

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45947: Jan 16th 2017 at 10:55:00 AM

That song helps me relax when I'm feeling anxious.smile

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#45948: Jan 16th 2017 at 3:28:52 PM

OK, so, they're airing ads for the upcoming Stevenbomb on the 30th (the one that got leaked). It's gonna be called Out Of This World.

edited 16th Jan '17 3:31:29 PM by AdricDePsycho

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NegaKingKix The Absolute Madman from That one place we don't talk about anymore Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#45949: Jan 16th 2017 at 3:30:58 PM

Genuinely looking forward to this one.

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