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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#45901: Jan 11th 2017 at 1:38:08 PM

Me?

edit:Any reason would be a fair remark yes,like I dunno someone at least mentioning it.it was pretty major

edit:You have a gem that can see into the future,telepathy is hardly a stretch,but whatever

edited 11th Jan '17 1:44:56 PM by Ultimatum

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#45902: Jan 11th 2017 at 1:45:46 PM

I have to admit, I've been wondering about the differences between Era 1 and Era 2 gems side-by-side. I think the only case of it, per Word of God, was that Leggy (of the YD Ruby Squad) was a fairly fresh Ruby, and the only difference shown between her and all of the other Rubies were psychological (i.e. acted pretty nervous and green in the field). Well, there was also the possibility of weapon generation, which we've seen CG Ruby and Eyeball do, but looking back at what Peridot said about Era 2 gems, that could be just that Era 2 Peridots don't have weapon generation but that a warrior caste gem like a Ruby would (rereading the quotes, the syntax is a little fuzzy, so while it certainly sounds like Peri indicated that all Era 2 gems can't make weapons, she might have meant that only about Era 2 Peridots).

Based on the physical resemblance between Leggy and every other Ruby, I'm kind of inclined to believe that the gems aren't much different outwardly. Of course, given that Rubies are heavily hinted to be low on the totem pole in the first place, maybe the differences are just way less pronounced between eras that low. Of course, that said, it wouldn't surprise me if Peridots aren't exactly high-end gems, either. I think a clearer indication would probably actually be if an Era 2 Bismuth showed up - if a significantly smaller and less bulky Bismuth was shown working for Homeworld as an Era 2, then I think there might be a stronger indication that Era 2 equals smaller.

edited 11th Jan '17 1:46:15 PM by 32_Footsteps

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#45903: Jan 11th 2017 at 1:56:30 PM

While on the topic of Era 1 and Era 2, what do they mean exactly? I mean, I'm pretty sure Era 2 comes after Era 1, but what was the event that marked the end of Era 1? Was it Pink Diamond's death? I would have thought that for an empire that's been around as long as the Gems have they would have more than two eras.

Also, why did Rose decide to call her rebellion the "Crystal" Gems? Like is there a specific reason she chose that name?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#45904: Jan 11th 2017 at 2:03:40 PM

I did some searching and it's because Earth is in the 'crystal system' or something

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45905: Jan 11th 2017 at 2:03:51 PM

Steven's displayed a type of telepathy, so it might be a Rose Quartz ability.

Which means, we'll never ever never see it in actual usage.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45906: Jan 11th 2017 at 2:16:49 PM

Earth's part of the Crystal System as Peridot mentions in her broadcast. The Crystal Gems is an indication they're marking themselves off from Homeworld.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#45907: Jan 11th 2017 at 2:44:26 PM

If Pink Diamond's shattering marks the point of era change, it would certainly explain why the Diamond symbol changed.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#45908: Jan 11th 2017 at 3:35:33 PM

You know, I had an odd idea about the Fusion Cuisine episode the other day. Instead of bringing Alexandrite to the restaurant, what if Steven had Sardonyx pose as his mother, and had Amethyst pose as his sister?

Amethyst is already a Cool Big Sis figure to Steven, and I imagine that Sardonyx would make a more charming dinner guest than Alexandrite (who, truth be told, doesn't have much of a personality of her own, and who the Gems had little experience with anyway).

I guess the writers wanted to wait until the Season 2 Pearl/Garnet arc to reveal Sardonyx, but I still think it's a neat idea.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#45909: Jan 11th 2017 at 3:54:34 PM

But would Sardonyx be able to eat? Actually, do you think Alexandrite will ever get a personality? Because she doesn't have one yet. I mean, the other fusions are just two characters stuck together, and that seems to involve finding a personality trait they both posses and exaggerating that, but I guess the staff has a hard time doing that with three characters jammed together.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#45910: Jan 11th 2017 at 5:16:38 PM

what was the event that marked the end of Era 1
Peridot made it sounds less like they were Hit So Hard, the Calendar Felt It and more like Homeworld noticed they were spending resources faster than they were getting them, planned large adjustments to economize, and when they were implemented decided to call that the new "era".

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#45911: Jan 11th 2017 at 5:33:54 PM

But would Sardonyx be able to eat?

Hmm... good question. On one hand, unlike Alexandrite, Sardonyx has been used enough to develop a unique personality all her own, so just because Pearl finds eating revolting doesn't mean Sardonyx would. On the other hand, that doesn't necessarily mean she would, either.

Maybe Steven could bring along Sugilite? Actually, that's a terrible idea from multiple angles. Forget I said that.

but I guess the staff has a hard time doing that with three characters jammed together.

Technically Alexandrite is four characters jammed together, but that's just splitting hairs.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45912: Jan 11th 2017 at 8:09:28 PM

It would all depend if any oof them would be willing to be up for eating.

Groverman62 Since: Feb, 2016
#45913: Jan 14th 2017 at 5:26:42 PM

Question: All the way back in Frybo, when Pearl was describing gem shards and what was done with them (semi-concious drones), is that what the gem fusions are?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#45914: Jan 14th 2017 at 5:28:22 PM

No, the gem fusions are a different thing. Pearl was saying the shards were placed in armor which then moved and fought autonomously. Like Frybro.

Oh really when?
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45915: Jan 14th 2017 at 7:01:39 PM

The fusion experiments are Cluster prototypes.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#45916: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:31:21 AM

So it occurred to me that the failure of Rose's rebellion may have actually made life worse for the gems under the Diamonds.There's bound to have been a crackdown on possible dissent,especially on their more distant colonies,but especially on Homeworld,which probably went from being oppressive to a totalitarian dystopia as the resource shortages hit them,and without the materials to create new gems or create superior ones they sort of grounded to a halt production wise

The resource shortage is probably the main reason Gem empire didn't swiftly reconquer the earth after the corruption hit,aside from the possible fallout,the gem empire couldn't afford to send legions of troops when a good majority were probably on the Earth when it got hit,I mean they had a Galaxy warp which would have saved them a journey but that's broken in places and their other option is to send starships,but they probably don't have the numbers to manage a huge starship so they go with smaller groups like the rubies and Jasper,hell Jasper probably wouldn't have gone AWOL if they had had larger squad that didn't just consist of her and Peridot

Either way,neither side came off well,the crystal gems have lost a significant part of their force,and Homeworld is still reeling from losing so many gems and Pink Dimond.Yellow Dimond probably realises what a disaster the Earth colony was so reactivating the cluster becomes a priority,destroying the Earth means destroying the memory of the rebellion completely,and finally having a victory over Crystal gems.

edited 15th Jan '17 10:34:52 AM by Ultimatum

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#45917: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:11:43 AM

[up]you are right in some thing but wrong in others: first the rebelion didnt lose considerable forces it, they lose ALL OF IT, and as far the diamond are concern the rebelion is dead and that planet is just the dead resting place of her sister.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#45918: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:33:58 AM

[up][up] Do the characters regard themselves as having lost the war? They did kick Homeworld of off Earth, which was a primary objective. The probably wouldn't have lost at all of Homeworld hadn't used their corruption weapon on the Gems there.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#45919: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:39:29 AM

Pearl said "But we won!" before when talking about the war. So she didn't consider it a loss at least.

edited 15th Jan '17 11:42:12 AM by xanderiskander

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#45920: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:42:44 AM

I think the problem is that while they "won" they didn't have a way of restocking their numbers,they had just one planet under their control,Homeworld probably had/has hundreds of planets under their control. and the means to produce new gems

edited 15th Jan '17 11:56:22 AM by Ultimatum

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45921: Jan 15th 2017 at 11:59:43 AM

The less-is-more approach makes it hard to tell how big the Homeworld machine is. It could be anything from a dozen planets across the universe to hundreds of colonies spanning multiple star systems with anywhere from a few ten thousand Gems to millions. It's hard to say.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#45922: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:26:29 PM

If the Diamond murals are anything to go by, Homeworld had around 30 planets 6000 years ago. With the resource shortage, who knows how much they've expanded.

edited 15th Jan '17 3:27:16 PM by SilentColossus

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#45923: Jan 15th 2017 at 3:35:52 PM

Or lost, if they couldn't hold onto or used up what they had

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#45924: Jan 15th 2017 at 4:18:59 PM

Maybe they were at war with something else, at the same time the rebellion was going on. That would explain why they have resource shortages, because fighting on Earth could have diverted attention needed to defend other planets.

edited 15th Jan '17 4:19:46 PM by xanderiskander

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#45925: Jan 15th 2017 at 5:05:34 PM

Considering how war like the gem race empire is it would not surprise me if they had made a few enermies along the way

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