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TheFox Quick like... Since: Jan, 2013
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#45676: Dec 28th 2016 at 10:31:20 PM

As a fan of both SU and SMT, I am enjoying this Shin Megami Steven discussion.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45677: Dec 28th 2016 at 10:46:05 PM

If this was a SMT game though and it was played by most, they'd end up killing the Crystal Gems, take their ships, and genocide Homeworld to leave humanity to pick up their tech and go into space.

I can also think of the Red VS Blue examples when Church relies on the fact that he keeps being sent back to the computer room after each time loop and just asks the most current Church what happened. It's a more clever example than usual since he reasons if there's a last one at all, they either fixed everything or killed themself for good, and the last one knew this already, but just wanted to hear himself give the plan for once. There's also Wyoming's time distortion power where he kept Save Scumming until he won, then let his alternate selves go all Me's a Crowd and make an army of mooks.

Edit: There's also Miraculous Ladybug, when Marinette and Timebreaker warp back to the moment they time traveled and use two to three versions of themselves to steal energy/time from others, pop back, and use that to warp back and forth until Ladybug can sneak up and grab the watch then use her Lucky Charm to retcon it all away.

edited 28th Dec '16 10:51:52 PM by darkabomination

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#45678: Dec 30th 2016 at 12:38:02 PM

Steven is too nice to do that,I mean he's been angry in the past,but never that angry,it would have to be one horrific secret that finally pushes him over the edge and destroys his trust in them

And learning that his mother started the gem war isn't big enough?

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#45679: Dec 30th 2016 at 12:45:14 PM

Does anyone know the name of that song that plays during the "Amethyst Steven and Connie have fun" montage in the middle of "Crack the Whip"? Has someone from the crew posted it online anywhere?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#45680: Dec 30th 2016 at 12:49:02 PM

It's big,I concede to that but there's bound to be one big,horrible secret about the gem war that Steven will eventually discover

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#45682: Dec 30th 2016 at 1:10:27 PM

[up]Thanks. I figured it was posted somewhere.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#45683: Dec 30th 2016 at 3:14:53 PM

Steven already knows Rose started the Gem War, doesn't he? I mean he knows she started the rebellion, and the war was a direct result of that.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#45684: Dec 30th 2016 at 3:20:56 PM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#45685: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:03:02 PM

The cause of the Gem War wasn't exactly a secret, far as I know. Bare minimum, Steven surely knows by now that Gems came to Earth to hollow it out Rose disagreed and fought back, cue Gem War. Not sure how much he knew of this at the series start, but no reason to know at least that much by now just from what he's seen first hand.

That's what makes the reveal Rose Quartz shattered Pink Diamond such a bit deal I think. Steven's always understood you have to fight for what you believe in, but Rose was never a killer. That's probably especially true to Steven, since he knows there's a difference between poofing a Gem and shattering it. Bismuth also confirmed that her sword was designed specifically to poof Gems without damaging them. Take all that, then find out that Rose did shatter a Gem. That rocks the world.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#45686: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:24:55 PM

Was the sword designed to not shatter a gem? The way Bismuth worded it, the sword simply couldn't shatter, not that it was specifically designed not to. A big difference. The Breaking Point seems unique in that it is specifically designed to do so.

Gems get shattered in war, which would be hard to avoid if only due to how hectic combat is, but the Breaking Point it needlessly and excessively violent.

edited 31st Dec '16 1:33:56 PM by SilentColossus

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#45687: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:36:22 PM

[up][up]Kind of a big jump from "starting a rebellion" and murdering your boss, but maybe that's just me.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#45688: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:37:22 PM

[up][up] In Bismuth's own words: "I designed this sword for a fair fight. It can cut through a Gem's physical form in an instant. Destroying the body, but never the Gem."

I took that to mean she made the sword specifically not to shatter Gems.

[up] That's my point. Steven probably never considered the Gem Rebellion/Gem War a big deal. Especially after he learned about Poofing. That means that if Rose Quartz shattered someone, anyone, it most likely would have been a deliberate act. Especially coming on the heels of learning her weapon does not do that by design. That can shake a person who, like Steven, who only saw/heard of the best of Rose Quartz.

edited 31st Dec '16 1:46:33 PM by sgamer82

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45689: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:39:25 PM

Yes.

Bismuth: I designed this sword for a fair fight. It can cut through a Gem's physical form in an instant! Destroying the body, but never the Gem.

The "never" is pretty significant, and she made the entire rebellion's weapons, I'd trust her word that if she claims it will never break a Gem, it probably can't.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#45690: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:47:53 PM

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Which I find odd, as Gems can be shattered simply by hitting a rock wrong or being stepped on. Even getting cracked can be a fatal event without Rose's healing, which was unheard of among Homeworld. Combined with the PTSD from Eyeball, Jasper, and Centi, I think Homeworld had high casualties even if Rose tried to avoid it.

(I really sound like I'm trying to make Steven Universe edgy, don't I? Not trying to do so; this just how I'm reading the information we're given).

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#45691: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:51:28 PM

The key note there is that Rose tried to avoid it. While there were almost certainly casualties on both sides of the Gem War, Rose Quartz did what she could to limit them. She did that, and she was the one to shatter the enemy leader. For Steven, who may well have known war casualties at least intellectually, this is the rough equivalent of learning that at some point in his life Ghandi enacted a Roaring Rampage of Revenge a la Kill Bill.

edited 31st Dec '16 1:52:43 PM by sgamer82

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45692: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:56:43 PM

Thing is though all the PTSD stuff and darkness is more or less explicit, or as much as you can be in a kids show. Unlike a lot of kids cartoons where fanon takes it to edgy extremes, we've already kinda got that.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#45693: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:57:31 PM

Minus the blood and gore though since gems are inorganic

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#45694: Dec 31st 2016 at 3:30:08 PM

Pearl did say that countless Gems were shattered, presumably on both sides. There are always casualties of war, Rose Quartz just made a conscious effort to minimize them.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#45696: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:27:19 AM

A big problem for Steven is that they are enemy who hate him for something her mother did and in the same way, they refuse his help(remenber the episode with the memories, Steven saw Bismuth,Eyeball and Jasper, of all them were offer help and all of them reject them).

for a better analogy, imagine if Steve were a Half indian-half british kid who is faving the british empire(which let face it, is what homeworld looks like half of the time) and know her mother subject the queen to a face worst than death, and of course that some people are piss about that.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#45697: Jan 1st 2017 at 6:39:14 AM

It always sucks when people hate a person for something that someone else did.

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#45698: Jan 1st 2017 at 2:11:36 PM

[up]For a given value of "someone else".

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#45699: Jan 1st 2017 at 10:35:13 PM

Do you think Lapis might be capable of bloodbending?

Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#45700: Jan 1st 2017 at 10:39:15 PM

Yeah, probably.

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