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RegisteredUser Body contains a Human Soul. from It's as cold as it looks. Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Desperate
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#45477: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:03:50 PM

It's either that, or the seasons are deeply fucked on Stevenverse's Earth and have much shorter or erratic lengths. Given that it appears plausible that the planet might be so different as to be rotating on a different axis, that doesn't seem, uh, implausible. Yes, this should be causing massive ecological catastrophes constantly if this was the case, but then, pulling all of the Earth's ocean's into an orbital tower should've been straight up apocalyptic. So, basically, don't worry about that part of it.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45478: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:06:41 PM

It's possible that whatever life evolved on this alternate SU Earth was selected for to be tolerant of such changes.

edited 9th Dec '16 2:07:23 PM by AlleyOop

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#45479: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:21:43 PM

It's an important detail that Lapis and Jasper were Malachite for a year,
It was sometime in Spring to late Summer of the same year.

We discussed this before: the show's calendar progression was almost real time for the first season, but then slowed down a lot. They're just now reaching the end of the year that began in "Maximum Capacity".

but because they basically glossed over winter and fall, it looks like the main cast just didn't give a shit about finding them until it was spring again.
Even if multiple seasons had passed between "Jail Break" and "Chille Tid", Garnet was shown looking for them in "Love Letters", which was supposed to be just three episodes into the second season.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#45481: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:51:56 PM

Sugar posted what seems the be, by far, the earliest (~2012) sketches of Rose and Greg, plus more pilot Pearl.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45482: Dec 10th 2016 at 3:57:02 PM

Greg looks almost the same as he does now. And not to import drama but Rose's old design was a lot svelter than it is now.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#45483: Dec 10th 2016 at 3:58:58 PM

[up]Yeah, more..."aerodynamic." Why change it?

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
Ninjaxenomorph The best and the worst. from Texas, Texas, Texas Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
The best and the worst.
#45485: Dec 10th 2016 at 4:22:57 PM

I think the big thing is that Rose looks physically smaller, while only being slightly thinner.

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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#45486: Dec 10th 2016 at 4:31:09 PM

They probably changed Rose's figure to avoid stereotypical beauty tropes. Canon!Rose is beautiful, and she's also fat (and tall), which isn't something you see much in western media.

Steven Universe is pretty good at depicting fat people. Amethyst is fat, and she's a big eater and a slob, who happens to be one of the most powerful warriors on the planet. Steven's fat, and while he's not a healthy eater (donuts and pizza) he's not constantly stuffing his face and he's not sedentary either. Greg's fat, and I don't think we see him eating that much. Rose is fat, and she's the Big Good, brave, strong and attractive. Sadie's pretty chunky, and she took out a corrupted Gem with a stick. Mystery Girl is big and tall.

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#45487: Dec 10th 2016 at 4:44:02 PM

Don't forget Garnet's nice mass.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#45488: Dec 10th 2016 at 5:52:58 PM

Thighs to make Chun-li herself sick with envy.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#45489: Dec 10th 2016 at 5:54:53 PM

Thighs that help her to be a Very. Good. Swimmer.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#45490: Dec 10th 2016 at 6:10:41 PM

[[quote=Why not?]]

Because she was fine! I know the designs from the pilot were changed to make things easier to animate but I don't see that issue here. Unless it was about sending a message at which point I throw my hands up in resignation.

edited 10th Dec '16 6:11:39 PM by Beatman1

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#45491: Dec 10th 2016 at 6:12:29 PM

Is she also not fine now though?

Oh really when?
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#45492: Dec 10th 2016 at 6:15:24 PM

[up]I'm just trying to see what made them think the first design needed a switch in the first place.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#45493: Dec 10th 2016 at 6:23:53 PM

Maybe a belief that they should unify the Quartz designs a little bit. Rose as she stands is a taller Amethyst, and Steven is also chubby.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#45494: Dec 10th 2016 at 6:44:55 PM

[up]OK, I get that. Make the family photo more uniform so to speak.

It's always fascinating to see how designs evolve and change over time and Rose is no exception.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#45495: Dec 10th 2016 at 7:05:31 PM

Even if they had that concept way back then, I'd think the real reason was they just wanted something more distinguished.

Rose looks physically smaller, while only being slightly thinner.
She's still nearly as tall kneeling as Greg is standing up.

Ninjaxenomorph The best and the worst. from Texas, Texas, Texas Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#45496: Dec 10th 2016 at 8:37:17 PM

True. Hmm... I wonder what pilot!Peridot and Jasper would have looked like. And Lapis. And basically every Gem character.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#45497: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:40:22 PM

Fundamentally, that would just mean a more detailed version of early character designs (check wikia yourself because I'm not making these links on mobile):

  • Lapis Lazuli, Sapphire: Pretty much identical.
  • Lion: Really creepy, old, and mangy-looking.
  • Peridot: As tall without the limb enhancers as the final design is with, and toes and heels not covered by "socks".
  • Jasper: Extremely blocky and sort of gorilla-like with a simpler face.
  • Ruby: The same, but with a different outfit that looks (more) like a martial arts gi.
  • Bismuth: Same silhouette but with inverted eye color (black sclera and white pupil) and her crystal's pattern framing her face.

You know, as much an improvement I think the final design was, I really like Jasper's concept and think it would be good for some other quartz/warrior gem, even just an extra. Same goes for Bismuth's creepy-cute design.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45498: Dec 10th 2016 at 9:46:36 PM

Comparing how Steven originally was in the pilot as a snarky, somewhat vengeful kid to the sweet, optimistic, but still mature and capable fighter he is now, it's hard to believe it's the same character concept. The show would be extremely different if his characterization hadn't been softened from the transition.

Which is interesting, because most kid protagonists get meaner or angrier as their shows go on. While he's willing to express himself more freely with a slight bitter edge when pressed, his experiences have only served to temper his flaws and make him a harder, stronger character in the process.

BagofMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#45499: Dec 10th 2016 at 10:06:00 PM

I want to say the poofy hair from the "Water Witch" cover and the Monochromatic Eyes in Lapis's flashback to Bismuth were references to how they looked in sketches.

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#45500: Dec 11th 2016 at 1:49:46 AM

@Alley Oop, you can avoid drama by not bringing it up at all entirely, there I said it.

EDIT>The Drama, not the Rose drawing, I wanted to make this clear in case Im misunderstood, if you just said "Man, look at this drawing, she looks kinda thin though" no drama would have been brought up.

That said, Im glad Rose is fat and beautiful.

edited 11th Dec '16 1:58:11 AM by AegisP

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