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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#45426: Dec 6th 2016 at 7:36:53 AM

[up]Exactly. Now if you DISAGREE with the message that's another matter. But having a message is part and parcel of the approach.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#45427: Dec 6th 2016 at 7:58:14 AM

Another thing here is that how the show present is message(or "Agenda") compared to other show, in the 90 the best course of action was using Very special episodes to talk about something(Drug,racism,etc) and many times clash A LOT with the rest of the series.

Here the message is underline into the very show: from Steven being sensitive person(contrasting wit the gems) to Lars and Sadie, to Rose being a big woman to....well,pretty much everything.

This is not a bad aproach by any means, but it does require writing skils, otherwise it would be very damn preaching, the fact the show make it this far confirm that indeed, they are that good.

edited 6th Dec '16 8:04:30 AM by unknowing

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#45428: Dec 6th 2016 at 8:21:59 AM

So, not to derail, but something I've been wondering as a relatively recent convert to watching the show.

I haven't caught every episode (particularly the early ones; part of the reason I was a late convert was that the first half of season 1 didn't do it for me), so maybe this has been answered... but do we know just what made Rose Quartz rebel in the first place? I know Amethyst emerged post-rebellion, so she fell in with the people who found/"raised" her. Garnet rebelled against the Homeworld because she never would have been allowed to live as herself (and her Ruby half would have been shattered) if she stayed with Homeworld. Pearl was fanatically devoted to/in love with Rose, so Rose rebelling meant Pearl rebelling. And even Bismuth, I know she rebelled because she wanted to build what she wanted and not what she was ordered to build.

But it still all comes back to Rose - she was the catalyst for it all, and I'm still not clear as to what the trigger was for her to form the Crystal Gems in the first place. Is there a canon answer yet?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#45429: Dec 6th 2016 at 8:24:18 AM

[up]For what it seen, she just love earth and life there, it feel it allow a level of complexity homeworld lack(or just directly avoid) at this point

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#45430: Dec 6th 2016 at 8:26:08 AM

It seems Rise loved life on Earth itself. Even if she was a bit condescending about it/

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#45431: Dec 6th 2016 at 8:33:27 AM

[up]Every gem is condescending so far...well, not Bismuth but that is because it focus on other things.

Gem treatment of humanity can be look as typical treatment of powr country to a third world one: a mix between apathy, condensation and just childish actitud, is what it make Steven important as protagonist

edited 6th Dec '16 8:33:56 AM by unknowing

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#45432: Dec 6th 2016 at 8:36:19 AM

Love of earth, a desire to get rid of the gem caste system, freedom from the rule of the diamonds...

It wasn't just one thing.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#45433: Dec 6th 2016 at 8:45:45 AM

[up]Maybe but it was the first that lead the other, when she learn about earth she understood the caste system was underming that

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#45434: Dec 6th 2016 at 8:53:01 AM

Rose did mention liking the idea of everyone getting to change and grow. It's why she liked life on Earth so much. Though that's not technically a reason why she rebelled, just a reason why she liked the Earth. But yeah, I think part of her reasoning was to rebel against the Gem caste system and that she liked the Earth.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#45435: Dec 6th 2016 at 9:19:48 AM

Has anyone here discussed a possible link between the hole in Russia from It Could've Been Great and Pink Diamond?

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#45436: Dec 6th 2016 at 9:43:27 AM

There was also a Gem Site plotted in the center of the hole, so it definitely had to do with the colony. I doubt even a diamond shattering could have made the hole. Maybe it was the injection site for the Cluster.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#45437: Dec 6th 2016 at 9:46:40 AM

could be one of the sites where Rose's forces clashed with the gem empire.

edited 6th Dec '16 9:46:58 AM by Ultimatum

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#45438: Dec 6th 2016 at 10:01:41 AM

The hole is located in the same area as one of the world's largest diamond mines irl, so my bet is that it's where Pink Diamond was created, and is her exit hole.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45439: Dec 6th 2016 at 10:03:22 AM

The thinking I've seen goes either A, where the shattering took place, B, where the Cluster was injected, or C, where Pink Diamond was made.

I've seen a theory tossed around that going along with the theme of Jasper and Rose being made on Earth, Pink was made here as well, and was given the colony as her own.

We've got a lot of carbon to make down there, and it's a very mineral-rich planet, which was explicitly said to be the reason why they made the colony in the first place, it was full of valuable minerals.

Groverman62 Since: Feb, 2016
#45440: Dec 6th 2016 at 4:42:41 PM

Question: Why does Greg not live with steven?

Also does he pay for the property damage the gems cause?

edited 6th Dec '16 4:52:10 PM by Groverman62

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#45441: Dec 6th 2016 at 4:54:35 PM

Gem magic makes Greg really uncomfortable.

I mean, Greg built most of the house. If he wanted to stay with him, he would have built himself a room, too.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#45443: Dec 7th 2016 at 6:37:59 AM

@45437 Also, from what I gather, there were hard feelings between Greg and both Pearl and Amethyst regarding how everything played out with Rose. "Maximum Capacity" showed that there was still some level of resentment between Amethyst and Greg (which Amethyst made worse by shifting into Rose), and Pearl's issues with Greg apparently weren't even confronted at all until "Mr. Greg." Given that Greg was able to maintain an active presence in Steven's life regardless, I can hardly blame him for not wanting to live in a house where two of the occupants had grudges about his relationship with one of their closest friends.

That said, I think Garnet would be cool with it. Also, it seems like less of an issue now - if the subject was broached now, I suspect there would be much less resistance than there would have been at the start of the show.

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BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#45444: Dec 7th 2016 at 10:42:04 AM

I had an idea for a referential gag the show could use. Like something happens where two Gems (one a main character) have to fight each other in some kind of intergalactic fighting arena. Then the host (or whoever runs it) incites the chant of 'Two Gems enter, one Gem leaves!'

Then, after looking at each other for a bit, they both just fuse. And the host, without saying a word, opens the door and lets them leave.

And under his breath, the host says "That's the first time that's ever happened."

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#45445: Dec 7th 2016 at 10:56:59 AM

Is there a new episode tomorrow or is it time for another hiatus?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#45446: Dec 7th 2016 at 12:05:22 PM

Every CN show is on hiatus for the rest of the month, just like they have been every December for many years.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#45447: Dec 7th 2016 at 12:44:19 PM

@Blue Blaze: Strangely enough, I had a very similar idea. Except in my head, the referee points out that he has the power to disqualify anyone for any reason, but since it's not explicitly mentioned in the rulebook, he'll let them off with a warning this time.

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supermerlin100 Since: Sep, 2011
#45448: Dec 7th 2016 at 7:31:25 PM

Mark watches is finished with season one.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#45449: Dec 8th 2016 at 5:49:26 AM

The Rugrats storyboarders used to make these storyboard jams when they were bored that usually devolved into lots of really fucked up shit.

I remember that "You stupid bitch, Fred Flintstone is home!" storyboard.

Anyway, on the subject of the show's quality, I don't interact with the fanbase much outside of this thread, so aside from reading whatever people may add to the YMMV page, I don't have my finger on the pulse of the fandom. However, I've noticed that complaints about pacing have been become slightly more common after "Gem Drill", and I am seeing a little more examples of people saying "The show probably could've handled this part a little better" than I used to from before Peridot joined the team. Some people also seem to be getting a little anxious to get back to the main plot, since we haven't had an impending threat since the Rubies were taken care of. I've seen nothing to indicate full blown Seasonal Rot, just that people do seem to be getting slightly more critical of the show.

While I may have my occasional issues with Steven Universe, I think that the longer the show goes on and the larger the fanbase grows, the more cracks will appear in the fandom. It's a natural progress, even if the overall quality is more or less consistent.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#45450: Dec 8th 2016 at 6:06:56 AM

I still think that's entirely down to the weird scheduling of the show itself, unless we could map it episode-by-episode to show that we've had a longer drought since the Rubies were dealt with of anything "Homeworld plot"-wise since the end of Season 1A.


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