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Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#45151: Nov 25th 2016 at 7:37:10 AM

I read Lapis as someone who has been so badly hurt in the past and is so desperately afraid of being hurt again, that she is constantly on guard around others to the point of being aloof at best, and more often surly and unpleasant. Like a whole-personality version of "resting bitch face." Steven is the one person she allows herself some vulnerability with, because he is transparently a cinnamon roll who will never harm her.

That said, she and Peridot obviously did reconcile somewhere offscreen. Maybe an apology was included in that.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#45152: Nov 25th 2016 at 7:40:44 AM

That said, she and Peridot obviously did reconcile somewhere offscreen. Maybe an apology was included in that.

In a show that puts so much focus on character development and the characters' relationships with each other, that's really not the kind of thing that should happen offscreen.

Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#45153: Nov 25th 2016 at 7:52:25 AM

The show is also pretty much glued to Steven's perspective, and he can't be there for every moment.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#45154: Nov 25th 2016 at 7:57:34 AM

They could've easily shown it when Steven was actively trying to get Lapis to accept Peridot.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#45155: Nov 25th 2016 at 8:18:43 AM

Except that was the problem, Steven was pushing when Lapis wasn't ready. Once the dust settled all of those two needed was time to get used to each other.

edited 25th Nov '16 8:19:29 AM by Cross

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#45156: Nov 25th 2016 at 8:37:33 AM

That would've made a good episode itself. Shame they decided to gloss over it.

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#45157: Nov 25th 2016 at 12:55:55 PM

Who knows for real? I think Lapis could be like Amethyst in that she SEEMS to be over something and even laugh about it but still has that issue deep inside and it will come to light later, like On The Run and other Amethyst episodes that focus in her pain and insecurities.

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Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#45158: Nov 26th 2016 at 5:18:34 AM

I never once believed that all of Lapis's issues were resolved, I just felt like they went from her having conflict with Peridot to living with Peridot peacefully too quickly.

They've said that Lapis is supposed to represent depression. Since depression is often a life long struggle, I wonder if they won't give her an epiphany that allows her to move past her problems, but instead learn how to better deal with herself.

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#45159: Nov 26th 2016 at 6:35:25 AM

I think the reason Lapis cools off about Peridot is that the Rubies coming after her or at least Peridot acting with the assumption that they were and trying to sacrifice herself to save the others did prove that Peridot had turned against Homeworld and was not the same Peridot that Lapis had briefly known.

And after that Peridot's various creative projects give Lapis something to do and they bond over Camp Pining Hearts

I don't think it was any dramatic moment beyond what we saw. She stopped being angry at her and there's been a gradual off screen warming up. Helped by Peridot becoming extremely protective of her.

We even see some of the gradual. Lapis' interaction with Peridot is a lot less emotive during the meepmorps then when they're farming.

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#45160: Nov 26th 2016 at 8:00:53 AM

I am more bothered that she warmed up to the other Crystal Gems so quickly. There is potential for good drama there.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#45161: Nov 26th 2016 at 8:05:08 AM

I don't think we're done with Lapis by a long shot. Remember, she's still the only gem who isn't loyal to anyone or anything, except maybe Steven. She isn't with Homeworld, but she's not a Crystal Gem, nor is she loyal to Pink Diamond's memory like Jasper is. She's a wildcard, and that has to come back.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#45162: Nov 26th 2016 at 8:05:48 AM

Did she though? Her actions throughout the episode could just as easily be "cooperate for Steven's sake" or, at best, "cooperate for Steven's sake and unexpectedly enjoy herself doing it" as it is "we're bffs now".

I took her attempt to joke about her past to suggest she still had some animosity, even if the worst of it is gone.

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#45163: Nov 26th 2016 at 9:29:45 AM

Epiphanies shouldn't be fundamentally character-changing anyway, and haven't been in this show. You can still see that Peridot is operating off of homeworld assumptions from time to time, so it is that Lapis will only slowly rediscover a joy in life.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#45164: Nov 26th 2016 at 12:50:57 PM

All of the Crystal Gems (save Peridot) were clearly uncomfortable with Lapis's mirror joke. While there's no animosity, it's not hunky dory either.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#45165: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:24:26 PM

I think part of the reason Lapis is comfortable with Peridot is that Peridot is too weak to threaten Lapis. Peridot's a second generation Homeworld Gem, meaning that she's one of the weakest characters on the show, humans included. Lapis is first generation, and while her physical combat skills aren't great, she's probably still stronger than Peridot. Plus, the entire barn is filled with water, so Lapis is as powerful there as on the beach.

MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#45166: Nov 26th 2016 at 1:54:01 PM

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#45167: Nov 26th 2016 at 2:04:00 PM

Was gonna ask if Pikipek looked like Pearl, or if it was just me. Googled for a courtesy image. Found this.

So, just me then. tongue

Cross (Don’t ask)
#45168: Nov 26th 2016 at 2:22:44 PM

[up][up] Which is still pretty weak based on what we've seen.

MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#45169: Nov 26th 2016 at 3:40:23 PM

thats because she basically just discovered it

edited 26th Nov '16 3:40:41 PM by MsAmiClassified

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#45170: Nov 27th 2016 at 6:47:47 AM

You know, I think I've brought this up once before in this thread, but Peridot's metalbending could make her really formidable in fights against other gems. There are some gems and rocks that react strongly to magnetism; Bismuth, for instance, is diamagnetic, which means that it's repelled by magnetic fields.

What I'm saying is that Peridot could totally take Bismuth in a fight by just force-pushing her into a wall over and over (once she gets enough practice and experience with her power, that is).

edited 27th Nov '16 6:48:00 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#45171: Nov 27th 2016 at 10:40:54 AM

[up][up] Which would still put her below Lapis.

[up] That would require Gems to react like the real life counterparts.

SilverGlyph I don't give a hoot Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
I don't give a hoot
#45172: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:09:10 AM

Do you suppose that gems are formed under different circumstances? I am sure it has been discussed in this thread before, but I have a feeling that, say, Pearls aren't grown out of the ground the same way that Quartz soldiers are. I think the possibility of gems having different properties (like Bismuths being metallic) shouldn't totally be counted out because of this.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#45173: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:15:18 AM

As Peridot mentioned Pearls being made to order, I imagine that they're made by piling layer upon layer of nacre onto a round object with the grove patterns determining the Pearl's characteristics.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#45174: Nov 27th 2016 at 11:55:40 AM

Also, just a small thing, but does anyone else kind of wish that Lapis kept her mirror eyes permanently after being healed? Because that was a really cool design choice, in my opinion, and I'm sad they've only appeared once since her debut.

Actually, the Walker brothers brought up that very idea in one of their vlogs. Rob's position was that while those looked cool, if she's going to be a major character, then you need her to be able to emote properly, and having her eyes clearly visible is important for that.

Now granted, you might not agree that that's necessary - after all, Garnet's eyes are rarely shown. I'd argue, however, that that's mostly because she's The Stoic - in scenes where it is important for her to emote, she usually doesn't have her goggles on.

That said, it was a pretty cool design choice, and if they wanted to experiment with that, I'd be perfectly in favor of it. As it stands, though, I'm fine with it.

edited 27th Nov '16 11:55:55 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45175: Nov 27th 2016 at 12:38:59 PM

But she's the apathetic type, she pretty much doesn't emote at all...

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