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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#45076: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:17:32 PM

But no one talks about abusive lesbian relationships, so Jasper gets off the hook.

Yeah, people just ship the two instead, which is it's own bag of worms. Hypocritical Fandom is very much a thing here, I won't deny that. tongue

Plus, ya know, Jasper has more depth to her than Kevin. We can kind of understand why she's like she is. Kevin has no motive. He's just a dick. And a sea cucumber.

That too. Kevin is literally a one-note character.

edited 21st Nov '16 4:19:21 PM by Lionheart0

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#45077: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:19:32 PM

Most people ship them in a way where they manage to work through their problems.

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Groverman62 Since: Feb, 2016
#45078: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:31:42 PM

Yeah I've read a fic that really goes all out in making Lapis the abuser. I wont link it though. It really hard to get through.

SmartGirl333 New account is voidify Since: Nov, 2014
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#45079: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:32:23 PM

Yeah, and they're doing that despite there never being any indication that those two having a healthy relationship is even *possible*.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#45080: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:43:44 PM

The whole point of fanfic is to be a transformative work. Creating an AU where Jasper and Lapis met under different circumstances, or where they became better people and tried again.

To give an example without using them, making a fic where Steven betrayed the gems to homeworld. It's something he would never do in a million years, but the point of that fic would be to explore under what circumstances he would do such a thing.

Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#45081: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:48:03 PM

The whole point of fanfic is to be a transformative work.

Other than Original Flavor expansion and continuation fics, anyway.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#45082: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:49:07 PM

[up] Oh I got no issue with fanfiction personally, I just hate when people ironically go into Draco in Leather Pants territory.

SmartGirl333 New account is voidify Since: Nov, 2014
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#45083: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:49:11 PM

I'm not talking about AUs, those are a whole different kettle of fish

[up]You mean unironically?

edited 21st Nov '16 4:51:23 PM by SmartGirl333

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#45084: Nov 21st 2016 at 4:59:32 PM

I really don't like works like that because I think it sends a bad message to abuse victims, namely that yes their abusers can suddenly be good people and everything can be great.

But I think we're starting to veer back into the dreaded Jasper vs Lapis debacle.

Oissu!
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#45085: Nov 21st 2016 at 5:17:52 PM

[up][up] Yeah, unironically. My bad on that typo. :P

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#45086: Nov 21st 2016 at 8:26:18 PM

I will be blunt here: the issue is Jasper is important chararter who will be part of the cast, while Kevin(and Martin for that part) are just one-note who already did their job to be awfull people.

And more important, Jasper is evil but they are UNPLEASENT, this is waaaaaay different for some fans, but right now Kevin may be a creepy douche but Jasper so far have endenger other, maintain a toxic viewpoint based on force, engage in a toxic relationship(Sure, Lapis was abusive but she manage to see it and more important, Jasper wanted to go back to that) and her comment to Amathyst could fall as Ablaist depending on how you see it

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#45087: Nov 21st 2016 at 10:02:42 PM

I'm not getting involved, as said we don't want another Lapis vs. Jasper bleedout.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#45088: Nov 21st 2016 at 10:55:36 PM

In general while it's fine to have your likes and dislikes and private disapproval of fics I don't like the idea that people should be discouraged from writing them by fandom Moral Guardians, lest you have people sending fic authors hatemail and threatening to dox them to the FBI for pedophilia because they ship 29yo Han with 19yo Luke and the like.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#45089: Nov 22nd 2016 at 12:47:53 AM

[up] Isn't what you're talking about exactly what led to Lauren Zuke deleting her Twitter? Fanfic purists who became so obsessed with their One True Pairing of Amedot that they rejected Lapis and Peridot living together?

If so, I admit that saying fanfic has free reign is fine, so long as the people making it don't take it too seriously.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#45090: Nov 22nd 2016 at 11:26:13 AM

Do you think the Crystal Gems would be okay with a Gem colony on the moon, since, you know, no one lives there?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#45091: Nov 22nd 2016 at 11:27:31 AM

I think in order for there to be a gem colony there has to be life. I think it was in one of the classroom shorts where Pearl said Kindergartens drained the "life force" of the planet or something.

Oh really when?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#45092: Nov 22nd 2016 at 11:41:08 AM

A gem colony under whose's control,Crystal gem or Homeworld?

if it's Homeworld,hell no,there's no way they'd allow them a base to attack them from

If it's a crystal gem colony then it would have difficulty being established at all owing to a lack of resources,without a link to another homeplanet the project would fail,and I doubt Earth is going to help them set up a colony,

edited 22nd Nov '16 11:54:56 AM by Ultimatum

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#45093: Nov 22nd 2016 at 1:47:45 PM

"Buddy's Book" was on the other day. You may remember there was an illustration that made Steven say "Don't know where this is." I'm betting it will be important later, just like that room in the moon base that the Gems walked past saying it wasn't important.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#45094: Nov 22nd 2016 at 1:53:16 PM

It was Blue Diamond's palanquin, destroyed.

Oh really when?
superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#45095: Nov 22nd 2016 at 4:10:08 PM

Okay this is a little weird, but would the Lich from Adventure Time work as a villain in Steven Universe? Or Bill Cipher?

edited 22nd Nov '16 4:11:16 PM by superboy313

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#45096: Nov 22nd 2016 at 4:56:32 PM

Billy would be OP in this universe.

The Rock Ladies aren't technically alive, so the Lich King's effectiveness is in question.

edited 22nd Nov '16 4:57:11 PM by randomness4

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superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#45097: Nov 22nd 2016 at 5:02:27 PM

I meant, would they based on the type of characters they are (and what light they're shown in) would work in SU?

And yeah, Bill would even crush Homeworld like ants 'cause you know, reality warping.

edited 22nd Nov '16 5:03:21 PM by superboy313

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#45098: Nov 22nd 2016 at 5:43:02 PM

The issue with Bill and Lich King is that they're Magic Lore Villains, in that they are created by and can only be defeated by things created in their respective universes. Ergo, it doesn't matter how much raw force you can throw at them, unless you can break through dimensional barriers or have an infeasible amount of overwhelming magical-based force you aren't doing shit to them.

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#45099: Nov 22nd 2016 at 5:49:00 PM

There's also the fact that the Lich and Bill are each a Complete Monster.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#45100: Nov 22nd 2016 at 5:53:59 PM

Bill's actually really weak,he relies on making deals along with gullible people summoning him,and since he's from another universe altogether there's no journal,thus no way to summon him

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