I'm pretty sure the deal with Andy is that he has a hard time adapting to change. His political viewpoints are one symptom, and his resentment toward Greg for leaving (and perhaps triggering the gradual dissolution of the DeMayo family) is another. He's frustrated that the world seems to be passing him by on both the macro and the micro scale, and he retreats into "traditional" ideas and clannishness as a coping mechanism.
I thought he was very clearly painted as wrong, but not maliciously so, and not without sympathy for his own internal struggles.
edited 18th Nov '16 5:33:10 PM by Karalora
I just watched Gem Harvest
- I'm slowly accepting that Lapidot is gonna happen. I don't want to pour that cup of amedot that I brewed during the wait for season 3 down the sink, but this ship is okay I guess
- Edit: "why don't we all marry each other" AMELAPIDOT I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT HALLELUJAH
- This is a childrens show why in the name of all the seven hells is there a Trump supporter
- Wait. So halloween doesn't have a name in SU ("some candy-givin'-out holiday"), but steven knows how to carve a pumpkin???
- DeMayo is a cool surname
- That wedding cake looks great. What are those cake topper things made of anyway? sugar? plastic? I wonder if Russia will censor the bits where two brides or two grooms are next to each other
- Alright I see the moral: even if someone acts like an asshole they're still a person and should be given a chance
edited 18th Nov '16 5:40:32 PM by SmartGirl333
edited 18th Nov '16 5:39:28 PM by thatother1dude
Huh does that mean people don't carve pumpkins much on Halloween? How sad.
Also what was wrong with that marriage line exactly? I mean I think feeling grossly sick is a bit of an overreaction there.
Wait really? How sad then.
edited 18th Nov '16 5:49:54 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Halloween doesn't exist in this universe...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Because a little less than half the country's voters voted for the guy, so every child is likely to have at least one in their family, and could benefit from pointers on how to deal with them?
But seriously, though, we should all get married.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.![]()
I didn't catch that, I guess it also applies to Easter?
A birthday isn't a holiday...can't be treated as such.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.I mean considering that religion doesn't (as far as we can tell) even exist in this universe.... more or less all holidays are thrown out of the window. Also Thanksgiving, probably. Unsure about the 4th of July.
Ignoring the obvious meaninglessness of calling something "political" when, in the year of our meme 2016, doing anything, including not taking a stance, can and will be considered political... Andy's an obviously political character. While it is physically impossible that this guy was written up before people thought Trump had a real chance, nevermind actually winning the election, the stiffy conservative archetype has existed for literal decades, at least in its current incarnation, and likely far, far more outside of the modern GOP establishment.
In any case, I also don't like people trying to portray Andy as "not really a modern day Republican", because that really defeats the point. If you don't want Andy to be a modern day conservative because you are that incapable with empathizing with a modern day conservative, guess what, you are exactly the person this episode is trying to reach. If imagining him as a Trump supporter makes it easier for you to put yourself into the events of this episode, do it.
edited 18th Nov '16 7:17:14 PM by InAnOdderWay
It's an episode about learning to understand the perspectives and feelings of someone whose views and perspectives may seem weird, alien, and even horrible from your own perspective. The aftermath of the election has been an immense disparity on both sides of the fence, and just a general failure to understand the other side's opinions and perspectives beyond the buzzwords they hear on their insular, one-sided, and dare I say biased echo chambers of choice.
In other words.... guys the people who voted for Trump aren't inhuman monsters. You cannot reasonably expect to rebuild the nation if you emotionally shut down whenever you come into contact with someone you think is working with "the enemy". If thinking of Andy as a Trump supporter makes you automatically hate him, then you're just like the Gems in this episode, who were immediately willing to take arms against Andy without even learning his name first. And acting condescendingly, or halfheartedly, or just flat out ignoring them does nothing to truly help the situation. You have to actually reach outside your comfort zone and connect with them, even if they don't connect with you, because they're apart of the same American family.
And even if that's not the message Sugar intended when she (or whoever thought this episode up) penned the original ideas for this episode, that's the message that was sent to a lot of people, and that really is the message that a looooot of people need right now.
edited 18th Nov '16 7:38:41 PM by InAnOdderWay
The reason I reacted negatively to the message this episode had was because I'm a transgender lesbian, and I have yet to meet a Trump supporter who doesn't think that makes me subhuman. Forgive me for not being happy when a show that preaches acceptance of LGBT people also shows a conservative in a positive light.
But they, well, exist. In like half the nation. I know this makes me sound sort of insensitive but.... we sort of have to deal with it. Not accept the hatred, or accept the discrimination, but accept the very existence of these other people, because we literally cannot change the fact that 47% of the country believed that Donald Trump was the best available option for the nation.
That's the truth. And, like in the show, you have a good reason to be angry, and frustrated, and standoffish. Just understand that literally none of that helps anyone but yourself. And yes, you'll need all the help you can get with the next few years. But until we can get the country united against this sort of shit, we will never have peace in our time. And the first step to that is understanding that there is someone else behind that fence. And they might be unable to understand us, but that doesn't mean we can't understand them.
Yeah... no. These are people who voted for a guy who basically got up on stage and said "screw everyone who isn't a straight white dude" for several hours at a time. As someone who is not straight, not white, and not quite sure I want to be referred to as any gender, they wouldn't want anything to do with me, so why would I want anything to do with them?
Hey look on the bright-side, there's a chance he might be impeached or something, he's still going to trial for some shit right? Besides there's also the chance of him not being re-elected in 4 years so hopefully he might screw up at some point.
I mean I'm white as hell & think the man is a fucking maniac. Though it also helps that I'm Cuban so I'm naturally scared of what he might do even though I am an actual legal immigrant.
So can we stop talking bout politics, its making this forum very in-fun.
edited 18th Nov '16 8:01:08 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Actually, I think only something like twenty-nine percent of people voted for Trump. Half of the country straight-up refused to vote.
My various fanfics.EDIT:
Half the population, or half the voting base? Because not everyone can vote.
Look, I'll back away from the topical politics, because that is very clearly still a very touchy subject with a lot of people (myself included), but this is still a question worth considering, considering how hard the show itself discusses it. Hell we were arguing this question when Jasper's arc was going on, everyday back and forth between "she's an abuser" and "she was only following orders" and "not everyone deserves redemption" and "she's just a good person forced to do bad things", and I'm still not quite sure where we settled on her.
Honestly, it's a good fucking question. Why love in the face of hate? Not in spite of it, not against it, not where it can't look, in its face, towards it. Greater people than anyone else on this website, hell probably on this internet have thought about this question long and hard. And in the end they all scratched their heads, shrugged their shoulders, and loved anyways. And the world changed.
If this sounds really stupid, or obnoxious, or difficult, or impossible.... maybe that's the point. In the same way that a lot of these questions about love and tolerance and community and acceptance and self-introspection are really difficult and hard and challenging to people who were raised in backgrounds that taught them to believe the opposite, maybe it's the liberal community's lot in life to struggle to understand and love "the other" in spite of all the damage, physical and emotional, that it may cause. Love is a shitty fucking weapon. You can't shank someone with a heart. But it's basically the only weapon we have. That and Supreme Court rulings, and well...
edited 18th Nov '16 8:08:35 PM by InAnOdderWay
Considering it takes around a year for an episode to be produced, I highly doubt Trump had any influence on this episode. This was back when most considered his campaign a joke that wouldn't get past the primaries. Now when they started recording, Trump was probably the Republican nominee, but the writing was likely finished well before then. And most didn't think he would win. The episode landed at the wrong time more then anything.
Andy is less a follower of the alt-right and more the somewhat conservative family member that has his foot in his mouth.
But yeah... it really aired at the wrong time.

Anyway I just saw the episode and I like it, I like the dark humor of Steven craving the pumpking like slasher villian(really, for vegie head he is pretty much Jason) and Andy was a well need it chararter.
Also, my girlfriend spot that, during the credit the artistic directo was call Mike Demayo....maybe an in joke or something?
edited 18th Nov '16 2:46:15 PM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"