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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#44801: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:40:28 PM

[up][up][up]What about the Ronaldo episodes?

edited 17th Nov '16 5:41:04 PM by randomness4

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#44802: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:40:56 PM

Personal reasons.

And I loved Onion Gang. It was cute and sweet.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#44803: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:45:59 PM

[up] I assumed it was personal. If it's about trying to give some humanity to Andy, I'd say that's unfair. But whatever.

I'd say this was lower-mid-range quality for me, mostly because of the pull of ambiguity and then having it be about an Anvilicious metaphor for intolerant relatives. At least Bismuth gave a form of backstory for the Gems. This one was kinda...nothing.

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Mirgle ( ͡✪ ͜> ͡✪) from the american south Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#44804: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:48:07 PM

Citizenry isn't that important.
I beg to differ. As of November 7, citizenry has become very important.

You don't always get result's, just cause you worked hard.
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#44805: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:51:11 PM

Well it only took like half an hour for the episode to show up on youtube after it aired. I knew we were going to meet a new character with a plane, so I assumed it was Greg's Uncle, since it was his barn to start with. I didn't expect to hear Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force though. And it was pretty obvious it was going to be a thanksgiving episode a long time ago.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#44806: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:51:29 PM

Its at least pragmatic to get a citizenry. The Gems can legally drive a car as one benefit.

Also this episode gave us something. I mean we got some backstory on Greg's family & we even learned his actual last-name.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#44807: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:51:44 PM

[up][up][up]Of course, that happened.

edited 17th Nov '16 5:52:03 PM by randomness4

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Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#44808: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:54:53 PM

Thinking about it, I actually am a little disappointed that the episode seemed to be setting up a plot about Peridot and Lapis trying to find something to do with themselves, only to completely switch the focus to Andy.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44809: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:54:55 PM

Episode was on the dull side though I still enjoyed it more overall than Onion Gang. I'm surprised Andy didn't give a shit about the Gems' weird powers or the fact that they came from space. Thankfully the episode was a lot less A Very Special Episode than it was shaping up to be, though it was still a little Anvilicious even by this show's standards. Usually the show's tolerance themes are taught by example than proselytization.

I guess in general it reminds me of the episode where Marty came back, though it had the benefit of being less rushed and at least getting the gems involved.

edited 17th Nov '16 6:06:05 PM by AlleyOop

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#44810: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:55:17 PM

Honestly, upon further review, I really think Andy was in the right here.

His cousin ditches home, breaks all ties with the family, the rest of the family falls apart, he joins up with this weird... hippie alien coven... thing, and now his childhood getaway place is being rented out to a couple of aliens tearing up all his stuff.

He has the mannerisms of the stuffy conservative angry relative so we're not supposed to like him, but he really has a point here. And the gems really do ignore him. That dinner scene was really well written in that regard. You can pinpoint the moment that Andy just feels absolutely left out of the conversation when they go heavy into inside jokes and meta references, and it is super fucking (though obviously unintentional unless you think they created an entire 27 minute special in 10 days) topical to how in a lot of liberal circles we shut out a lot of... everyone else, and when those people come knocking on our doors we seem suprised and shocked that they don't already think and act like we do.

In that sense, I guess I didn't like how little effort the gems put into really getting to know Andy. They just don't care. Only Steven and Greg actually give a shit about how Andy feels towards all of this, and it really gives context to his outbursts.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#44811: Nov 17th 2016 at 5:57:58 PM

Ah yes, Human + Gem interaction...that is suppose to be a thing, isn't it?

The gems rarely try to know outside of close relationship circles.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#44812: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:00:48 PM

Yeah that is something I quite honestly dislike about the Gems that crops up from time to time. There just so apathetic about humanity & this is coming from a guy who is somewhat anti-human.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#44813: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:01:34 PM

[up][up][up] While I agree, I don't think the show did enough to show that the solution is to be more open and inviting. It put the fault almost entirely on him with him learning to include himself.

[down] That's something else I noticed. His barn is wrecked, his cousin changed his name, and they dismantled his old plane without his permission, and they're acting like he's the one being unreasonable. This would be fine if both sides learned something about being more accepting, but only Andy did.

edited 17th Nov '16 6:08:29 PM by BlueBlaze64

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#44814: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:01:50 PM

Yeah, I don't think the Gems were deliberately ignoring or excluding Andy, but it was clear that they didn't put much thought into making him feel comfortable. It's been a consistent problem whenever they interact with humans. I do have to wonder why Greg went as far as changing his name when he left home. I feel like the episode would have been a bit more interesting if we got an answer to that.

On an unrelated note. Steven Tale strip 6 up on the Steven Tale blog.

edited 17th Nov '16 6:02:02 PM by RhymeBeat

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44815: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:22:08 PM

People are seriously overestimating any kind of political message here. Andy's conservatism wasn't really that big a part of the episode, the focus was on the gems having a holiday together while Greg and Steven (re)connect with a forgotten part of their family.

I didn't expect to hear Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force though.
I'm slightly less surprised because I remember Greg's VA was on Aqua Teen Hunger Force as that onion monster named Willie Nelson. Still took my like half of the episode to recognize the voice.

I remember Ian JQ joking that he imagined Greg and Carl hanging out, though I unfortunately can't find that, just this. But it might have been so long ago as to actually be a coincidence.

[Andy]'s another example of people not being fazed by the fantasy parts of SU's world, but this time from a person who isn't from Beach City.
He's far from the first: Connie, her parents, Marty, arguably Kevin, Mystery Girl.

People outside of Beach City are more surprised by this stuff, but they still don't treat it as a world-view shattering revelation.

I do have to wonder why Greg went as far as changing his name when he left home.
Because he didn't want to explain to Rose that he wasn't really "Mr. Universe".

Groverman62 Since: Feb, 2016
#44816: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:24:17 PM

The thing is that the Gems knew absolutely nothing about Andy. Lapis and Peridot were given permission to have the barn as their living space without thought as to whether or not any of Greg's family would come back.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#44817: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:25:07 PM

[up][up] That's so dorky that I'm taking it as my headcanon straight away.

edited 17th Nov '16 6:25:15 PM by RhymeBeat

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#44818: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:25:39 PM

This episode is inspiring me to make another "Fun with Editing" video, and include a clip of Andy dubbed over with Carl's best lines.

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44819: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:28:02 PM

That's so dorky that I'm taking it as my headcanon straight away.
And I'm completely serious about it.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44820: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:33:11 PM

In case any one is curious about the spelling, the close captions say Andy and Greg family name is spelled "DeMayo", not "De Maio" (which DeMayo is an Anglicized version of).

edited 17th Nov '16 6:34:00 PM by thatother1dude

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#44822: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:34:12 PM

I'm also like 90% sure this is the first time the word "America" has been used in the show. Actually I'm surprised Pearl didn't point out that they've lived here longer than the concept of America even existed.

edited 17th Nov '16 6:35:28 PM by WillKeaton

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#44823: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:34:36 PM

There's no space, alright then...that's all I was confused about.

[up]This is the first time America was vocally said.

edited 17th Nov '16 6:35:24 PM by randomness4

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#44824: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:38:39 PM

I buy it.

This episode is another exhibit for me in the case of the C Gs not actually giving too much of a shit about humans and mostly caring about protecting the Earth because Rose liked it.

My various fanfics.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44825: Nov 17th 2016 at 6:38:40 PM

[up][up]Technically, Steven's presentation in "The New Lars" mentioned koala being from South America.

edited 17th Nov '16 6:39:06 PM by thatother1dude


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