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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#44476: Oct 23rd 2016 at 6:58:59 PM

[up]Precisely.

Also, I just found a thing:

Holy shit.

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SmartGirl333 New account is voidify Since: Nov, 2014
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#44477: Oct 23rd 2016 at 7:06:01 PM

I've watched that so many times I don't even cry anymore. Okay, I lie, I still tear up at "the orphanage...". But seriously, what kind of emotionless robot wouldn't?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#44478: Oct 23rd 2016 at 7:41:28 PM

It must just be the song...I don't get it personally and that's okay.

edited 23rd Oct '16 7:42:56 PM by randomness4

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SmartGirl333 New account is voidify Since: Nov, 2014
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#44479: Oct 23rd 2016 at 8:10:32 PM

[up]It's from Hamilton, which is a history musical that you should all listen to

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44480: Oct 23rd 2016 at 8:23:56 PM

a history musical that you should all listen to
Because you sure as hell aren't going to see it.

edited 23rd Oct '16 8:24:04 PM by thatother1dude

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#44481: Oct 23rd 2016 at 8:25:56 PM

I don't think the visual context would add much anyway.

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#44482: Oct 23rd 2016 at 8:42:48 PM

It's a wildly successful Broadway musical so 1. it would probably cost a lot and 2. any given show will be booked out really quickly. Also, there is literally no dialogue that isn't included in one of the songs, so listening to the soundtrack gives you the audio of the whole thing. The visual context isn't necessary to enjoy it; like, you could probably look up pictures to give you an idea of what's happening. Hell, someone on Tumblr probably has the whole play as a gifset if you really want.

edited 23rd Oct '16 8:44:08 PM by SmartGirl333

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#44483: Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:44:30 PM

That was beautiful, and strangly appropriate. And yeah, Hamilton is fantastic. I've listened to the entire soundtrack so many times that I can sing the first 7 or 8 songs from memory. It more than deserves all the hype. I'm not even a fan of rap as a genre, but I can acknowledge when it's good, and every single song in Hamilton can stand proudly alongside the best rap songs ever.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#44484: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:31:18 AM

I get why some might be averse to the hype, though yeah it is very good. For those that don't know, most of that section is comprised of Arc Words that have been built up several times throughout the story and fuses a lot of the character-specific motifs together.

I also like this one.

She'd make a great Eliza or a good Angelica.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#44485: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:16:26 AM

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44486: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:10:47 AM

it would probably cost a lot and 2. any given show will be booked out really quickly.
That was my point—almost no one is able to see it.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#44487: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:05:58 AM

Soon enough it will be available for schools and maybe smaller troops to perform. Miranda's been thinking of writing a gender-blind libretto, so expect to see a lot of lady Hamiltons.

Miranda used to want to work into animation. Maybe he can be coaxed to do something in SU? Wouldn't that be great? We could be the trash of both of the things.

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BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#44488: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:21:47 AM

I'm disappointed that I couldn't get to see Hamilton before it became impossible to see. I've heard nothing but praise about it. sad The whole idea of "deliberately casting a white historical figure with a non-white actor" just sounded like a novelty to get the play talked about when I first heard about it, but apparently the play is really good.

The last Broadway play I saw was ''A Gentleman's Guide to Love and Murder". It was amazing, but I wish I could see more plays without it being so expensive.

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#44489: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:37:23 AM

Yeah, the insane ticket prices and inaccessibility are prominent memes.

Give the album a listen, Youtube has reposts of the music and you won't miss much.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#44490: Oct 24th 2016 at 10:17:33 AM

I've been listening to the album from this You Tube playlist.

edited 24th Oct '16 10:18:24 AM by DeathsApprentice

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#44492: Oct 24th 2016 at 2:40:41 PM

[up]x4 You could just do what I do; get a parttime job working as an usher so you can see the shows for free. The schedules are very flexible, so there's no worrying about it conflicting with your regular job, and while you're still on duty (and standing up,) while seeing the show, you still get to at least see it. It's a pretty cool gig and, if you want to see more Broadway, one to look into if you get a chance.

edited 24th Oct '16 2:40:59 PM by kkhohoho

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#44493: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:23:24 PM

Crewniverse update: Lauren Zuke came out as nonbinary.

Zuke hasn't decided on pronouns yet, but doesn't wish to be referred to as a man or woman. They said any pronouns are fine for the time being though.

Personally, I'm happy to have learned this. It feels nice knowing trans people are represented on the show's staff.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#44494: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:35:53 PM

Anglophones are lucky that they have gender-neutral pronouns.

Other languages aren't that lucky in this wave of increased gender consciousness.

edited 24th Oct '16 3:36:24 PM by Draghinazzo

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#44495: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:37:19 PM

Yeah. The singular they might not be the most natural thing but it's better than the Romance languages where every word has to gender itself.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44496: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:07:58 PM

The idea of "they" as a plural-only is Newer Than They Think and only dates back to the 19th century or so. Us going back a singular "they" would not be that dramatic of a shift.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#44497: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:36:19 PM

I've made the comparison before in a discussion that sexuality is less of a switch (straight/gay) and more of a slider (Straight ————Bi————- Gay). Is non-binary basically that, but with gender? If so, I can understand that. But I tried looking up the term on Wikipedia, and I just left more confused than when I went in.

That aside, I don't know why somebody wouldn't be okay with "they/them". It's the most neutral pronoun in the English language.

I apologize for any unintentional offense, but all of this just feels so...needlessly convoluted, especially compared to the sexuality terminology.

edited 24th Oct '16 5:36:35 PM by BlueBlaze64

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44498: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:49:49 PM

Yeah, the insane ticket prices and inaccessibility are prominent memes.
Even besides price, seeing a Broadway-based musical is inherently impractical for most people because of distance. People who don't live near New York/Chicago/London or can't travel cross-country have to wait for a while for a stop on the tour (assuming there is one) or even longer for a location production—and hope that it's decent.

I know the actor unions resist video releases for more than just for money or elitism (they want people to see them in person or support local theaters), but musical theater seems like the most unobtainable medium around today.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#44499: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:59:57 PM

Gender is difficult to understand because it's entirely a self phenomenon, like any other problem of other minds. At least with most forms sexuality it's a very external thing. You're a guy who enjoys having sex with other men? Yeah you're indisputably some degree of homosexual, no matter how hard you might argue otherwise. But you wear your hair in a pixie cut, dress in loose jeans, t-shirts, and sneakers all the time, love action films, and hate romcoms? Well if you identify as a cis female, then nobody else can logically deny you that no matter how "mannish" you come off as.

Different people experience gender differently. That's not to say one can't be wrong in their own self-assessment of their gender. There are many accounts of people who have openly talked about considering transitioning at some point, only to decide they weren't trans after all and merely rationalizing something else as gender issues. But as an individualistic phenomenon, it's by nature hard to box in. Like qualia.

Personally I experience my gender passively. I don't feel a particularly strong attachment to being female, but it's the absence of desire to identify as any other gender, plus my dislike when people deny my femaleness on the times when it is challenged, that helps me acknowledge that I'm cis. Others experience gender with certainty, like something buzzing in the back of their heads, or the sudden moodswings one gets right before a period. Those others with their different gender paradigms, were they to experience my sensations of gender, might identify it as being feminine-leaning agender, though they'd be wrong and out of their right to apply it to anyone other than themselves.

As for problems with "they/them" pronouns, I hate to sound like I'm pulling the "special snowflake" argument, but it's often borne out of a desire to seem important. Some of them are part of the former Grammar Nazi group who believe "they" should be exclusively plural, but most of the time it's because they consider it left-me-downs to use a catchall pronoun. Whereas neopronouns like zhe or xe send a more affirmative message of "this person is nonbinary", in the same way that someone who aggressively identifies as female might despise ever being referred to as "they". I get that, considering the history of denying the existence of nonbinary identities. But linguistically, exclusive nonbinary neopronouns are unlikely to ever become mainstream. The restoration of the singular "they" is simply more pragmatic.

edited 24th Oct '16 6:19:34 PM by AlleyOop

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
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#44500: Oct 24th 2016 at 6:08:41 PM

I had skipped over Steven Floats mistaking it for "Alone at Sea" which i've seen already. Glad i caught it, it was a delight. "What makes me happy? Donuts? No, i'm not going to get one. The Beach? No, that's where i'm gonna die. My mom? Wah, those feelings are way too complicated!"


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