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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#44201: Oct 9th 2016 at 9:55:48 PM

Or they could break down one of the injectors for parts, like they ended up doing anyway. In the actual show, they put a drill together within a week or so, I think a few thousand years would be plenty of time.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44202: Oct 10th 2016 at 3:55:32 PM

They'd need to know where it is
They didn't need Peridot for that. Pearl was the one who guessed the moon base would have the coordinates. Even without Lion, Pearl showed could make a working spacecraft, even if the one she made needed significant improvements.

the equipment to get there
The only supplies for equipment they had recently, but not then, is the junk in the old barn. It's not like they had to wait for human tech to advance, they could have made equivalent parts from raw materials or just salvaged more gem tech.

know that Rosey could communicate telepathically to the thing to begin with
Upon reaching the Cluster, there are numerous plausible alternatives to deal with it: Eventually find some way to break it into pieces—not like Peridot being unable to do it in a few minutes makes it impossible. Build a huge warp pad to send it into space. It may have been significantly smaller back, maybe small enough to dig out whole and launch into space.

They'd certainly have no excuse for not trying.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#44203: Oct 10th 2016 at 4:37:11 PM

I don't think they'd actually want to break it, the shards would just be shattered even more...

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#44204: Oct 10th 2016 at 4:43:24 PM

If anything, it was probably larger, and was compressed due to pressure.

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#44205: Oct 10th 2016 at 4:44:53 PM

Fusions tend to have a higher volume then the sum of thier parts. Forced fusions likely work similarly

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44206: Oct 10th 2016 at 4:54:06 PM

I think the Cluster grew by absorbing surrounding minerals because holy shit there would have to be many billion broken gems there otherwise.

edited 10th Oct '16 4:57:40 PM by thatother1dude

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#44207: Oct 10th 2016 at 5:06:25 PM

Maybe it's not just Crystal Gems in there?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#44208: Oct 10th 2016 at 5:08:37 PM

It is just as likely to be shattered HW gems that also fell in war.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#44209: Oct 10th 2016 at 5:27:52 PM

Actually that's a good point, that early on it wouldn't even have been incubating for long, it would just be a loose pile of unfused shards. In that case, if you had the time, you could dig in and bubble them for a few days straight until they're done.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44210: Oct 10th 2016 at 5:52:53 PM

Even if it was made from every singled gem shattered in the war, one billion gem deaths on Earth is orders of magnitude higher than it makes any sense for there to be. If even a tenth that many were left on Earth to become corrupted, they would have outnumbered humans at least four to one, overrun the planet, and been impossible for the surviving Crystal Gems to put a dent in even after 6000 years.

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#44211: Oct 10th 2016 at 6:14:35 PM

Well, they are still bubbling them to this day.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#44212: Oct 10th 2016 at 6:21:54 PM

Either underwater or on uninhabited islands or in the air...humans are lucky.

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#44213: Oct 10th 2016 at 7:02:43 PM

Gem Monsters normally seem to ignore humans, as well. Unless they feel threatened.

edited 10th Oct '16 7:03:03 PM by SilentColossus

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#44214: Oct 11th 2016 at 10:03:59 AM

People would just be running into them everywhere.

100 million (a very low estimate based on the Cluster's size) is more than twice the peak population of deer in the US. A considerable number of corrupted gems are larger than houses

edited 11th Oct '16 10:04:25 AM by thatother1dude

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#44215: Oct 11th 2016 at 11:16:40 AM

Maybe it's not just Crystal Gems in there?
It is just as likely to be shattered HW gems that also fell in war.
Rose had a policy that her rebels not shatter anyone. So there wouldn't be enough casualties to account for it, Unless you think homeworld just started shattering their own people.

They could have shattered kindergarten gems that didn't have time to fully incubate, and used them for the cluster.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#44216: Oct 11th 2016 at 12:13:30 PM

IIRC, Peridot did mention that a lot of the ones in the Beta Kindergarten probably didn't last very long.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#44217: Oct 11th 2016 at 12:23:35 PM

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Did she? Rose didn't make shattering her enemies, except for Pink Diamond, the actual objective, but I doubt Pink was the only casualty on Homeworld's side. The three Homeworld veterans seem just as traumatized by the war as the Crystal Gems. The way Centi crosses out her allies in particular makes me think that the CG did shatter Gems. Notably, there are only two of Centi's crew on her ship.

If you fire a bunch of laser light cannons at the enemy, shattering or otherwise cracking their Gems might not be completely avoidable.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#44218: Oct 11th 2016 at 12:25:09 PM

Bismuth said Rose's sword was specially designed to destroy gem bodies, but not the gems themselves. So in Bismuth's time, Rose was definitely on the Thou Shalt Not Kill side.

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#44219: Oct 11th 2016 at 12:30:30 PM

...compressed due to pressure

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#44220: Oct 11th 2016 at 4:20:58 PM

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I doubt the Laser Light Cannons held such distinction, though. Or Bismuth on the battlefield (she did target Lapis' gem; I doubt Lapis was the only one). And again, Centi's portrayal of the war suggests that it was indeed a matter of life and death for them. You wouldn't cross out your allies with such sadness and dread if they were just poofed.

They weren't trying to shatter Gems; it was not their objective, unlike Bismuth. That does not mean they shattered no one but Pink. This series is firmly under War Is Hell (combined with admitting that sometimes violence is necessary). Giving Homeworld literally one casualty committed by the CG would completely undermine that.

Besides, Bismuth didn't say the sword was designed to not break Gems, just that it couldn't. A weapon designed to break Gems has no real purpose if you can just poof them.

edited 11th Oct '16 4:24:05 PM by SilentColossus

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#44222: Oct 11th 2016 at 9:02:46 PM

They weren't trying to shatter Gems; it was not their objective, unlike Bismuth. That does not mean they shattered no one but Pink
And where did anyone say that? We were talking about how many shattered gems would have to make up the cluster? My point was that because CG's were actively told to refrain from shattering, that the casualties on the homeworld side would be far fewer. So that doesn't really solve the problem of there having to be an unrealistic amount of shattered gems, for the cluster to be made entirely out of them. It still makes more sense for the cluster to use resources from the earth to get it's size, instead of being just made out of shattered gems.

edited 11th Oct '16 9:09:32 PM by xanderiskander

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#44224: Oct 12th 2016 at 12:15:04 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if shattering people in battle was just not something that happened in Gem warfare in general - rather, it was something that Homeworld did as punishment for captured traitors or dissidents. Bismuth acts like her design was such an advantage because nobody had anything like it. Even in the present, Jasper's taser-weapons are specifically designed to quickly and efficiently poof a Gem, not destroy them.

I see it as - to a race that's largely unfamiliar with death at all except in rare occasions - something similar to what chemical weapons or a nuke is to us. It's represents a level of brutality neither side of Gem society wanted to cross, even in the midst of a horrible war. The downside is that the other side had different lines they were willing to cross - turns out you don't need to kill someone to destroy them.

edited 12th Oct '16 12:16:29 AM by KnownUnknown

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#44225: Oct 12th 2016 at 4:04:03 PM

Another question smokeycut, if Jasper Turned good and pure but the rest of the Jaspers were evil what would you feel? Sure if Jasper gets healed and redeemed there WOULD be a precedent for there to be hope for the other Jaspers but barring that, how would you feel?

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