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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43826: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:26:26 AM

Not forever...just for the time being.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#43827: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:29:34 AM

Its not great so far Jasper and Bismuth wise but it did take time for Lapis to get redeemed. She hid in a fusion under the sea, LA PIS LA ZULI

Salty and blue and traumatized is she.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:29:52 AM by Bocaj

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GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43828: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:31:21 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot about all the shit Lapis went trough before finally being redeem.

That's what happen when you ignore contexts!!! :)

edited 28th Sep '16 10:32:08 AM by GarnetRebeller96

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#43829: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:32:33 AM

The Rubies haven't been redeemed.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43830: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:33:04 AM

You're nitpicking.

Both major Butch characters are villains. Both are violent brutes. Both were bubbled, and the characters decided they didn't deserve a chance to get help. Am I wrong?

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#43831: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:33:36 AM

Hey so I just saw "Bubble Buddies" again. We all know that Connie's mom is a doctor, but how many of you remember what her dad does? No looking it up on the internet, that's cheating.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#43832: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:34:38 AM

Steven decided Jasper did deserve a chance to get help though.

[up] Beach security? They move around to a bunch of different beaches although they seem to have settled down recently?

edited 28th Sep '16 10:35:33 AM by Bocaj

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43833: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:36:07 AM

[up][up][up]For that last thing you are wrong...but only when it comes to the Jasper gem.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:36:39 AM by randomness4

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GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43834: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:37:19 AM

Nitpicking about what?

And there's people telling you other characters didn't get redeem as well. So I don't see what game you're playing here.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43835: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:39:58 AM

And then Amethyst stopped him, and they bubbled Jasper, who has yet to be seen again.

I'm saying that I don't care about if the Rubies haven't gotten redeemed, because we have a good Ruby. YD is one of the big bads.

Jasper and Bismuth are the only major butch women though. If all the black people in a show are criminals, you're sending the message that black people are criminals. If the only major butch women are villains, that is a problem.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:41:49 AM by smokeycut

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#43836: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:41:31 AM

Jasper stopped him first.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43837: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:41:53 AM

Amethyst didn't stop him, the Jasper gem stopped him...and it was already too late.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43838: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:43:33 AM

Fuck it. Keep telling the butch lesbian that she's making shit up. It's not like I have any experience with how we're treated by people, and how SU reflects those exact same bigoted views.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#43839: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:43:46 AM

Couldn't Amethyst be considered butch? Or do you just ignore her because she damages your narrative?

My various fanfics.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43840: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:45:04 AM

Amethyst isn't butch. Amethyst is a slob, and kind of crass, that doesn't make her butch.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#43841: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:46:42 AM

I know that Bismuth and Jasper have the big and butch thing going on but does Amethyst not count?

She's not as big but she was supposed to be similar to Jasper and has several similarities in temperament.

I'm not quite sure where the line gets drawn. How are we defining it? I googled a definition and it seems like it could apply to Amethyst but apparently it doesn't?

edited 28th Sep '16 10:47:26 AM by Bocaj

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#43842: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:47:40 AM

Calm down. Step back. Look at the big picture and the context surrounding these scenarios, instead of focusing only on vague generalizations.

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43843: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:49:59 AM

[up] Thank you, seriously. Thank you.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43844: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:51:56 AM

You guys keep ignoring what I'm saying.

Both. Butch. Women. In. The. Show. Are. Violent. Brutes.

In. Real. Life. We. Are. Seen. As. Abusive. And. Brutish.

Amethyst isn't butch, because she isn't formed like Jasper is.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#43845: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:52:20 AM

How exactly is butch defined?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#43846: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:53:41 AM

[up]x4 No, just the context of that one specific scenario that's obviously gonna lead to the Jasper gem getting redeemed at some point...even though she started out as evil butch.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:55:21 AM by randomness4

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#43847: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:54:17 AM

[up][up]Amethyst is a little bit too sensuous and curvaceous to cross the line between "Tom Boy" and "Butch".

Come to think of it, this show seems to be against butchness in general. Even in men, butchness comes off as disreputable, while more feminine and gentle males get a lot more appreciation.

Which aligns very well with my personal aesthetic: I find that butchness is kinda ugly, disgusting, and baffling on either gender. But it's dissonant given the message of acceptance and kindness that the show conveys, risking Broken Aesop. It's also unfair to the butch.

There's no virtue in being nice and tolerant only to people you like.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43848: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:54:50 AM

But you keep ignoring what we're saying. Or constantly dismissing are counterpoints.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#43849: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:57:44 AM

The cart has gone around in circles so many times the wheel is about to come off!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43850: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:59:04 AM

Your counterpounts haven't made sense. You say the rubies are still villains, but that's not related. Show me a major butch character who is a good guy, and isn't portrayed as violent or aggressive. That will prove me wrong.

And you also keep ignoring that the story doesn't exist on it's own. It was created by people, and isn't something that just grew.

They created Bismuth, made her butch, and then did a story about her wanting to murder everyone on the homeworld. They didn't need to. They could have had her be bubbled on accident, or could have her realize she was wrong. But they didn't. They made her violent and aggressive and evil.

@The Handle: Thank you.

And now, I'm going to leave. You've all made up your minds, and I have better stuff to do than deal with this.

edited 28th Sep '16 11:00:03 AM by smokeycut


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