For one, an in-universe justification of an offensive trope doesn't suddenly make it not offensive.
For two, even though Gems seem to be violent by nature, look at how the others were treated. Lapis nearly drown Steven and Connie? Steven heals her gem and lets her fly back to Homeworld. Peridot tries to kill the main characters numerous times? Garnet poofs her, but then Steven frees her.
Bismuth and Jasper don't get that. They are portrayed as so incredibly violent that they need to be, for lack of a better word, put down. Same thing happened with Sugulite, and when she shows up, she doesn't even talk (Nicki Minaj is expensive yes, but still...) and all she's good for is literally to be a wrecking ball with legs.
I was trying to say that I would argue when I wake up. I'm going through insomnia right now, so I was just about to type up a response, when Sal pretty much said what I wanted to say.
Now I am going off to bed for real. Good night, don't burn the thread, and stay civil.
edited 27th Sep '16 10:32:58 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?in fairness they were gonna leave peridot in a bubble too and stevens main argument for doing otherwise was that it sounded like she knew something really important, rather than because itd be wrong to do so
mind, i cant get in a twist about the current state of affairs having what you people have framed as Unfortunate Implications because theres no way in hell said implications wont be dispelled but i cant be mad at you people for feeling the opposite when the phrase "hydra cap" raises salt in me to this day
edited 28th Sep '16 1:01:08 AM by MsAmiClassified
moved to Oceanstuck because this handle was starting to bother me my tumblrIn fairness, not saying anything the second time shows a lot of self control considering how absolutely livid Garnet was.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersMaybe but it definitely discredits being against butch lesbians.
Steven attempted to save Jasper as well but Jasper rejected it. Lapis did not reject his help therefore was able to save herself.
Steven only freed her because she had information that effects the entire planet
They got put down because of their own actions not because of being treated unfairly.
The same could be said for every other fusions. This is seriously reaching. Especially when you know why she doesn't talk
Seriously, all this seriously involves ignoring context within the story. This is all what Unfortunate Implication is majority of the time.
edited 28th Sep '16 9:16:11 AM by GarnetRebeller96
Garnet, a writer can justify anything in a story. Doesn't mean it's okay. The only gem villains so far who haven't gotten to be redeemed are butch women.
Even if Jasper refused help, the writers made that decision. Characters aren't sentient. They don't have choices. They do what the writer wants. If the writer wants a lesbian character to suddenly decide to go off and fuck guys, that doesn't stop it from being Cure Your Gays.
They made the decision to have both butch women be permanently bubbled after depicting them as violent brutes.
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Writers need to do what makes sense for the story, to simply make Bismuth and Jasper change there extremist views on a dime is nothing but bad writing. And to ignore valid contexts as to why it happen is pretty disrespectful to the writers. There were more then just Violent brutes that you dismiss them to be.
Also Yellow Diamond would like a word with you. Pretty sure she isn't butch, she seems lean and skinny to me.
edited 28th Sep '16 10:07:15 AM by GarnetRebeller96
They've never even met YD. She showed up once, talking to Peridot.
And that is exactly my point. Jasper and Bismuth were violent brutes because that's what the writers decided. They weren't redeemed because that's what the writers decided. This story didn't just pop into existence, it was crafted by people over a period of time, and they never even stopped to realize both butch women in the story were violent monsters.
It doesn't matter if they never meant Yellow Diamond, that still completely discredit your only macho gem are evil issues. If context for Bismuth and Jasper is getting ignored. Surely the same could apply to YD, no?
And I repeat they we're more than just violent brutes, they had more dimension than that. But again context still is repeatedly getting ignored.
edited 28th Sep '16 10:18:50 AM by GarnetRebeller96
If you have two sandwiches with shit in them, it doesn't matter what else is on the sandwich. There's still shit, and that's a problem.
And I didn't say all the villains are Butch. I said all the major Butch characters are villains. Two different things.
This show tries so hard to tell people "it's okay to be who you are, look like you do, love who you love", but so far I've been told by the show "you're a violent monster who tries to kill 14 year olds in cold blood, and need to be put in a coma forever".
That sandwich idelogy is pretty terrible and like everything else involves simplfying statements to make it sound terrible.
I didn't say all butch villians are gems, according to your comment you claim the only gems to not be redeem is Jasper and Bismuth. I proved otherwise by mention Yellow Diamond.
Sorry but this isn't the Teletubbies not every character will have positives outcomes, if you expect every single character to be completely saccharine and do the right thing, that'll make for an incredibly dull story.
edited 28th Sep '16 10:23:54 AM by GarnetRebeller96
And the Rubies drift off into space forever
I'm a bit disappointed that I haven't seen any Godfellas inspired fanthingers about that
edited 28th Sep '16 10:24:00 AM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the Avengers

please let the dead horse rest in peace
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