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MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#43801: Sep 27th 2016 at 7:42:46 PM

please let the dead horse rest in peace

a peridot

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GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43802: Sep 27th 2016 at 8:54:27 PM

[up][up] Yeah, this discredit the whole butch lesbian characters are horribly violent problem.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#43803: Sep 27th 2016 at 9:03:29 PM

It doesn't at all. I'm going to bed, but I know Smokey will have more than enough to say about this.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#43804: Sep 27th 2016 at 9:54:36 PM

For one, an in-universe justification of an offensive trope doesn't suddenly make it not offensive.

For two, even though Gems seem to be violent by nature, look at how the others were treated. Lapis nearly drown Steven and Connie? Steven heals her gem and lets her fly back to Homeworld. Peridot tries to kill the main characters numerous times? Garnet poofs her, but then Steven frees her.

Bismuth and Jasper don't get that. They are portrayed as so incredibly violent that they need to be, for lack of a better word, put down. Same thing happened with Sugulite, and when she shows up, she doesn't even talk (Nicki Minaj is expensive yes, but still...) and all she's good for is literally to be a wrecking ball with legs.

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43805: Sep 27th 2016 at 10:24:57 PM

It doesn't at all. I'm going to bed, but I know Smokey will have more than enough to say about this.

Simply saying i'm wrong and not explaining as to why. Really isn't a convincing argument.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#43806: Sep 27th 2016 at 10:28:51 PM

I was trying to say that I would argue when I wake up. I'm going through insomnia right now, so I was just about to type up a response, when Sal pretty much said what I wanted to say.

Now I am going off to bed for real. Good night, don't burn the thread, and stay civil.

edited 27th Sep '16 10:32:58 PM by AdricDePsycho

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#43807: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:43:42 AM

in fairness they were gonna leave peridot in a bubble too and stevens main argument for doing otherwise was that it sounded like she knew something really important, rather than because itd be wrong to do so

mind, i cant get in a twist about the current state of affairs having what you people have framed as Unfortunate Implications because theres no way in hell said implications wont be dispelled but i cant be mad at you people for feeling the opposite when the phrase "hydra cap" raises salt in me to this day

edited 28th Sep '16 1:01:08 AM by MsAmiClassified

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#43808: Sep 28th 2016 at 12:49:01 AM

[up][up][up] [up]Most of fusions don't talk when they show up and are only good for smashing stuff. Opal lifting drill piece or shooting Red Eye. Sardonyx smashing Ruby Fusion or freeing Garnet and Pearl.

Rest of your post is arguable, but this part is definitely grasping straws.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#43809: Sep 28th 2016 at 6:01:20 AM

The other fusions have a method to their strength or some other kind of utility. Both times Sugulite showed up were literally just to fuck up a building.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#43810: Sep 28th 2016 at 6:23:49 AM

In fairness, not saying anything the second time shows a lot of self control considering how absolutely livid Garnet was.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#43811: Sep 28th 2016 at 6:52:45 AM

I'm not getting involved. I think we'd just be going in circles all over again with nothing new to add.

Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#43812: Sep 28th 2016 at 7:11:32 AM

Can we all at least agree that the show does a lot more right than it does wrong...and that Rebecca Sugar is the kind of creator to take these objections under consideration and work on them as things develop?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#43813: Sep 28th 2016 at 7:30:39 AM

Most certainly.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43814: Sep 28th 2016 at 9:14:55 AM

For one, an in-universe justification of an offensive trope doesn't suddenly make it not offensive.

Maybe but it definitely discredits being against butch lesbians.

For two, even though Gems seem to be violent by nature, look at how the others were treated. Lapis nearly drown Steven and Connie? Steven heals her gem and lets her fly back to Homeworld.

Steven attempted to save Jasper as well but Jasper rejected it. Lapis did not reject his help therefore was able to save herself.

Peridot tries to kill the main characters numerous times? Garnet poofs her, but then Steven frees her. t

Steven only freed her because she had information that effects the entire planet

Bismuth and Jasper don't get that. They are portrayed as so incredibly violent that they need to be, for lack of a better word, put down.

They got put down because of their own actions not because of being treated unfairly.

Same thing happened with Sugulite, and when she shows up, she doesn't even talk (Nicki Minaj is expensive yes, but still...) and all she's good for is literally to be a wrecking ball with legs.

The same could be said for every other fusions. This is seriously reaching. Especially when you know why she doesn't talk

Seriously, all this seriously involves ignoring context within the story. This is all what Unfortunate Implication is majority of the time.

edited 28th Sep '16 9:16:11 AM by GarnetRebeller96

YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#43815: Sep 28th 2016 at 9:22:33 AM

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43816: Sep 28th 2016 at 9:26:22 AM

Garnet, a writer can justify anything in a story. Doesn't mean it's okay. The only gem villains so far who haven't gotten to be redeemed are butch women.

Even if Jasper refused help, the writers made that decision. Characters aren't sentient. They don't have choices. They do what the writer wants. If the writer wants a lesbian character to suddenly decide to go off and fuck guys, that doesn't stop it from being Cure Your Gays.

They made the decision to have both butch women be permanently bubbled after depicting them as violent brutes.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#43817: Sep 28th 2016 at 9:57:31 AM

Enough! Seriously, stop beating a dead horse. Nothing's going to be accomplished by repeating the point.

I'm sorry, but at some point we need to just drop this.

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43818: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:02:38 AM

[up][up] Writers need to do what makes sense for the story, to simply make Bismuth and Jasper change there extremist views on a dime is nothing but bad writing. And to ignore valid contexts as to why it happen is pretty disrespectful to the writers. There were more then just Violent brutes that you dismiss them to be.

Also Yellow Diamond would like a word with you. Pretty sure she isn't butch, she seems lean and skinny to me.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:07:15 AM by GarnetRebeller96

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43819: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:08:08 AM

They've never even met YD. She showed up once, talking to Peridot.

And that is exactly my point. Jasper and Bismuth were violent brutes because that's what the writers decided. They weren't redeemed because that's what the writers decided. This story didn't just pop into existence, it was crafted by people over a period of time, and they never even stopped to realize both butch women in the story were violent monsters.

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43820: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:14:06 AM

It doesn't matter if they never meant Yellow Diamond, that still completely discredit your only macho gem are evil issues. If context for Bismuth and Jasper is getting ignored. Surely the same could apply to YD, no?

And I repeat they we're more than just violent brutes, they had more dimension than that. But again context still is repeatedly getting ignored.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:18:50 AM by GarnetRebeller96

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43821: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:18:11 AM

If you have two sandwiches with shit in them, it doesn't matter what else is on the sandwich. There's still shit, and that's a problem.

And I didn't say all the villains are Butch. I said all the major Butch characters are villains. Two different things.

This show tries so hard to tell people "it's okay to be who you are, look like you do, love who you love", but so far I've been told by the show "you're a violent monster who tries to kill 14 year olds in cold blood, and need to be put in a coma forever".

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43822: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:22:12 AM

That sandwich idelogy is pretty terrible and like everything else involves simplfying statements to make it sound terrible.

I didn't say all butch villians are gems, according to your comment you claim the only gems to not be redeem is Jasper and Bismuth. I proved otherwise by mention Yellow Diamond.

Sorry but this isn't the Teletubbies not every character will have positives outcomes, if you expect every single character to be completely saccharine and do the right thing, that'll make for an incredibly dull story.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:23:54 AM by GarnetRebeller96

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#43823: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:23:05 AM

And the Rubies drift off into space forever

I'm a bit disappointed that I haven't seen any Godfellas inspired fanthingers about that

edited 28th Sep '16 10:24:00 AM by Bocaj

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#43824: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:23:47 AM

When have I said that? Peridot got to be a villain, but get redeemed. Lapis got to be a villain, then get redeemed. Jasper and Bismuth? Nope. Too bad. Too butch. Time to bubble them forever.

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#43825: Sep 28th 2016 at 10:26:07 AM

The only gem villains so far who haven't gotten to be redeemed are butch women.

Word for word by you.

Again Yellow Diamond says hi.

edited 28th Sep '16 10:26:59 AM by GarnetRebeller96


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