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madprophet Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
#42926: Sep 11th 2016 at 7:13:57 AM

My personal pet theory is that there was a first Diamond created by a meteorite strike, mirroring the process of the creation of Carbandos. That Diamond created the Diamonds we see today. The Carbando might be dead, exiled or in hiding as a result of the Diamonds' Start of Darkness. It's an outside chance of actually happening in the show, but I like geology a lot.

ProserpinaFC Since: Jan, 2001
#42927: Sep 11th 2016 at 7:52:59 AM

Moral social discourse! OM NOM NOM NOM!!!!

Thanks, you are all really smart and reasonable. I'm glad I brought it up. XD

So, I'm all about Peridot selling "childhood" to the Gems by showing them an AMAZING presentation of Steven Quartz Universe. XD

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#42928: Sep 11th 2016 at 7:53:53 AM

We'll get to this when the show does. Right now we can make assumptions, but without a definitive backstory, we can only speculate and infer. We just learned of PD's existence a few weeks ago, we're far from getting the whole picture.

We've got a frighteningly large verse still lefto explore.

Poor Steven, this kid's world view's going to be shattered and rebuilt like three times before he's ultimately ready.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42929: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:00:28 AM

Honestly, I kind of hope PD doesn't turn out to be the worst of the diamonds. A friend and I have been discussing a human AU where she's Jasper's foster mom, and I don't want to accidentally pull a Draco in Leather Pants (though admittedly, I'm already doing a bit of that with Yellow Diamond).

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#42930: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:31:54 AM

For the opposite reasons although the moral complexity is nice, I do want a reason for why PD needed to be sacrificed for the sake of the planet. Sympathetic is fine, but she's still one of the Diamonds. You don't stay in power by knitting sweaters and feeding kittens.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42931: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:36:06 AM

Oh, definitely. I'm just hoping she doesn't turn out to be the type of character who ran around murdering human children for giggles. If she's on the same level as Yellow Diamond, I'd be content.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#42932: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:37:05 AM

Well, someone posted on Ask Reddit what they think has the cringiest fanbase, and it wasn't that high up, but a comment about Steven Universe was definitely up there.

Now, while someone did say there was nothing special about the show having gay characters and relationships (which several people rightfully disputed), a couple of people brought up some good points.

A key point I saw brought up is that some fans are very defensive of their idea of the show, rather than the show itself. Fans will cling to one aspect that they like, and either start digging too deep into the "meaning" of it, and/or start going after anyone who disputes it. This had led to things like that one artist getting harassed for drawing Rose skinny, 4chan deliberately whitewashing characters to get the fans angry, and Zuke deleting her twitter. Reading way too much into a show can cause some obsessive behavior, as seen many times before. What kind of fiction attracts this behavior is left up to debate.

Also, someone brought up that Steven himself seems to be an inconsistent character, with his personality and reactions to things Depending on the Writer.

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42934: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:40:23 AM

I mean, just for context on what I'm writing, the diamonds are the parents of Jasper (Pink Diamond), Peridot (Yellow Diamond), and Lapis (Blue Diamond). They're all massively toned down from their canon counterparts though.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#42935: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:53:30 AM

A key point I saw brought up is that some fans are very defensive of their idea of the show, rather than the show itself. Fans will cling to one aspect that they like, and either start digging too deep into the "meaning" of it, and/or start going after anyone who disputes it. This had led to things like that one artist getting harassed for drawing Rose skinny, 4chan deliberately whitewashing characters to get the fans angry, and Zuke deleting her twitter. Reading way too much into a show can cause some obsessive behavior, as seen many times before. What kind of fiction attracts this behavior is left up to debate.
Honestly this is pretty common for plot-based, and "guess what happens as they go" type of works. I've seen it before. It's just magnified with Steven Universe, because there's also a political component, instead of just fighting over characters or events they think should happen in the future.

Politics makes everything messy. That's why they say it's best to avoid politics / religion / sex as conversation starters.

Also, someone brought up that Steven himself seems to be an inconsistent character, with his personality and reactions to things Depending on the Writer.
Well, they're right. He is. A lot of people here realized that when they saw Mr.Greg, and The New Lars back to back.

edited 11th Sep '16 10:03:03 AM by xanderiskander

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#42936: Sep 11th 2016 at 9:55:34 AM
Thumped: Please see The Rules . This is a warning that this post is the sort of thing that will get you suspended.
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#42937: Sep 11th 2016 at 10:15:52 AM

[up]Aren't they screwed more by the comics that basically adapted what was going to happen in the 4th season, rather than Korra? Korra's more of it's own thing.

But I get your point otherwise.

edited 11th Sep '16 10:16:47 AM by xanderiskander

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#42938: Sep 11th 2016 at 10:19:12 AM

Well that's true, but any show by its own nature with more than one writer will have differing interpretations based on what suits the plot of an episode. Characterization as we see it is crunching down all these differences and consistencies into a solid framework.

I wouldn't call the SU fandom anything all that special when it comes to behavior. As said, the themes the show tackles are bound to attract less savory viewpoints.

And the bigger the fandom, the greater potential for something noticeable to go wrong. The shouting gets the most attention, and the elements that have inspired people positively aren't going to be talked about as much.

Or if they do, some might see it as overbearing and a superficially progressive.

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#42939: Sep 11th 2016 at 10:25:45 AM

And the bigger the fandom, the greater potential for something noticeable to go wrong. The shouting gets the most attention, and the elements that have inspired people positively aren't going to be talked about as much. I dunno, I can think of more examples of bronies being awesome then terrible.

Great example of SU fandom being insane, BTW

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#42940: Sep 11th 2016 at 10:28:29 AM

Uh, I think that counts as importing drama.

Beyond that, I still don't see how this is possibly the worst fandom. Like, I've seen more backlash towards a certain incident from the SU fandom than I've seen people actually doing that crap. I'd say it's solely from the SU Reddit that I frequent, but even then there's people on Tumblr who don't like that vocal minority.

edited 11th Sep '16 10:31:56 AM by AdricDePsycho

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#42941: Sep 11th 2016 at 10:43:15 AM

Sorry, just trying to show context for conversation.

Anyway, what are you saying then? That there is out there worse fandom where people actually do bad stuff but no one acknowledges that at all?

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42942: Sep 11th 2016 at 10:44:29 AM

How are we defining fandom? Because there's such things as the serial killer fandom.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#42943: Sep 11th 2016 at 10:49:52 AM

A group of folks that share common interest in a work or works of fictional media.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#42944: Sep 11th 2016 at 10:52:27 AM

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that all these claims of the SU fandom being somehow "Worst Fandom" just boggles my mind. A few years ago it was the MLP fandom, then before that it was the Homestuck fandom, and before that it was the Sonic the Hedgehog fandom. Like, I'm on the SU reddit regularly, and even the people on there are puzzled by how we've gotten this reputation when none of them even see these nutcases harassing people. There's arguably more people who are against these idiots than actual idiots, just going by sheer numbers.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#42945: Sep 11th 2016 at 11:36:17 AM

Breaking News: Fan Dumb Exists

Next at 4: Rain is Wet

moved to Oceanstuck because this handle was starting to bother me my tumblr
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#42946: Sep 11th 2016 at 11:38:10 AM

Changing topics, apparently Ian JQ used to have an animated web show with a buddy of his that was full of a lot of improv between them.

He can also rap too.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#42947: Sep 11th 2016 at 11:40:00 AM

the insane side of the fandom is found largely on tumblr,and they don't represent everyone,although by their numbers it's easy to think they do.but they don't

That said,let's try and avoid falling into a similar pattern of behaviour

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#42948: Sep 11th 2016 at 11:42:16 AM

Well, I tried to find what good things SU fandom has done. All I found were links explaining why fandom is toxic.

On the other hand Pony fandom definitely did also good things. I'm also shoulders deep into Sonic fandom and I can confirm that it's annoying with people having wild arguments about small things, but I have never heard anything about stuff life SU fandom did. And I know literally nothing about Homesuck.

And now, philosophical question: can any group be judged by it's vocal minority if that minority if responsible for most of it's "achievements". You know it's makes me think of times when people say stuff like "I'm proud to be American" even though their only achievement is living on the same huge land as people who actually did something, only in bad way. You know what I mean?

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42949: Sep 11th 2016 at 11:44:32 AM

Okay, this is my pet peeve showing, but Tumblr is a fucking big-ass site. The majority of users are not what people think.

Anyways, I'm thinking of watching the new episode again tonight. It's firmly cemented itself as my favorite in the series at this point.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#42950: Sep 11th 2016 at 11:46:36 AM

It's definitely on the top five most fun/rewatchable episodes I could see multiple times.


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