It really does sorta beg the question, is a gem worth more than whatever life it had to destroy to be made?
Gems are sentient and sapient life too after all. Do parasites have a right to exist? What if they're sapient ones with all the culture and thoughts and dreams of any other intelligent life?
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No. I'm talking about terraforming lifeless worlds to fit gem needs. We get them dependent on us for the life-force. Unless they want to wait to find a new carbon-based civilization that can get them a permanent solution, they'll need us. When that happens, humans could work from within the system to stop injustices from happening.
I didn't think about that before, but now that you've thought of it, I want it.
edited 10th Sep '16 8:10:31 PM by madprophet
Does it matter the worth of the life they destroy?
Gems are basically reproducing for the sake of it by destroying life on other planets...whether or not it's worth the destruction isn't on their minds.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.But...that dirt and...those grass had a family.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.The fact that we keep calling the Gems "warmongers" is our own way of distancing ourselves from the fact nature is violent and most resource-grabs require violence. You know who hates that nature is violent?
Vegans. Vegans would rather take B12 supplements every day than participate in murdering chickens.
We are discussing the very way Gems re-pro-du-ce. They NEED to absorb LIFE to reproduce and we are willing to call them warmongers for doing it. Punishing the Diamonds would do nothing to actually address helping the Gems find another way to reproduce, no more than punishing the CE Os of the meat industry would help a single person transition into veganism.
Helping someone live through the day-to-day struggle of becoming a vegan turns a person into a vegan. Helping Jasper, Lapis and Peridot rediscover themselves helps them have their own identities.
The Diamonds were ensuring the continuation of their species and Rose Quartz stopped them because she likes lions and moss and human men. I'd love to see Peridot and Steven coming up with solutions to Homeworld's resource problem.
And I'm not saying any of this to say that the Diamonds will be likeable characters or that how they control their society is entirely justifiable or to compare them to any real world example. On a fictional level, as long as they are bad-ass bitches they wake up flawless, I'm going to love them. It's just that Peridot's redemption was fueled by her finding reasons to love and respect life on Earth, not by resentment and disillusionment in her Diamond. That was literally the last step, the icing on the cake.
Hating people is easy. Actually learning to be better than the people you righteously hate is hard. Because, in all honesty, most people are scum. :)
I think that's a loss I'm willing to accept. Point remains, once we have leverage, we can slowly push the Diamonds out of power. It might take years, it might not even happen in our lifetimes, but that would be how we could do it with nobody dying.
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You're right. People don't change. Not really. And it is at this moment that you realize this whole time I've been partially roleplaying as Gregory House.
pops Vicodin
Deception successful.
edited 10th Sep '16 8:20:14 PM by madprophet
The death of Pink Diamond shows exactly what would happen if the Diamonds were shattered: her followers became even more fanatically loyal, just as Jasper. Eyeball wasn't even under PD directly, but is still affected by her death.
Whether or not the Gem Empire collapses after the Diamonds shattering, they would still avenge them before the aristocratic gems fight over power. Assuming the aristocracy still exists.
I thought the CG were suppose to kill them, you've already lost your edge. Unless you mean removing their historical mental impact.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Jasper is a perfect example of why just killing the Diamonds won't solve anything. It'd only make stuff worse.
Jasper wasn't freed or relieved when Pink Diamond was shattered, she was destroyed. It led her into a massive spiral of self hatred and despair that ended with her attempting to go to earth to commit suicide by Rose Quartz.
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See who exactly...because they were only fan-girling over Jaspee until the reveal.
We don't know how they'd interact with hyoo-mans or other species.
edited 10th Sep '16 8:25:27 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.So, Peridot needs to create an equation to determine how much organic life is needed to make an optimal generation of Gems? Terra-formed Kindergartens?
To keep the vegan example going, who here eats the USDA recommended ONE serving of meat a day? How evil do you consider yourself for looking at the food pyramid, given to you by your government, and saying, "Yeah, but see, the way my plate is set up—-"
If Peridot made a perfect equation that could make an entire generation of Gems using a planet of algae and mushrooms, would you consider the Gems any more worse for choosing to have "the freedom" to do what they want, even if it were in no one's best interest?
You know, this episode made me think of something.
Steven can theoretically fuse with any human, right? If that's true, could Pearl and Sheena fuse (in a way) with each other through Steven?
"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw"The Ruby squad in general also shows how ingrained purpose and loyalty are for the Homeworld gems. The Rubies are friendly and amiable, until they see you as the enemy."
"See who exactly...because they were only fan-girling over Jaspee until the reveal. We don't know how they'd interact with hyoo-mans or other species."
Um.... Their intro episode, they thought they were playing five humans in baseball... XD It's one of your icons!
Peridot was indifferent to Steven when she first met him and swatted at him for being a pest, and Jasper took one look at him and walked away. Regular Homeworld Gems don't see humans as an enemy to be punched in the face on contact. No more than you want to punch a cow. But you do want the cow dead, as that's how you'll consume it.
We are just so used to Always Chaotic Evil enemies who Kick the Dog for no reason that we are honestly confusing all these actions and motivations. All Homeworld Gems "want us dead" because we are below them on the circle of life, not for any malicious reason.
No 3 way fusion with a kid...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Bringing Steven into it does make it...suspect.
I don't see why Pearl would need to fuse - Rose never fused with Greg, but they were very happy together.
Oh God! Natural light!![]()
Right, no more than 2 sandwiches.

edited 10th Sep '16 8:06:20 PM by CaptainCapsase