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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#42851: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:06:13 PM

[up][up] They're not going to want anything to do with Earth beyond an asteroid field if you go and kill the diamonds and declare "mission accomplished."

edited 10th Sep '16 8:06:20 PM by CaptainCapsase

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#42852: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:06:16 PM

It really does sorta beg the question, is a gem worth more than whatever life it had to destroy to be made?

Gems are sentient and sapient life too after all. Do parasites have a right to exist? What if they're sapient ones with all the culture and thoughts and dreams of any other intelligent life?

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#42853: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:07:14 PM

[up] They have the same right to exist as the life they must destroy. Which means both sides are justified in trying to exterminate the other in such a scenario.

Ruise Nyanpasu~ from your subconscious Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Nyanpasu~
#42854: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:07:32 PM

Well, they are objectively better than organics.

Loves feel-good animation a whole lot.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42855: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:07:36 PM

I really want a scene where Jasper mistakes Sheena for Rose, just to see it played for comedy.

madprophet Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
#42856: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:08:19 PM

[up][up][up]No. I'm talking about terraforming lifeless worlds to fit gem needs. We get them dependent on us for the life-force. Unless they want to wait to find a new carbon-based civilization that can get them a permanent solution, they'll need us. When that happens, humans could work from within the system to stop injustices from happening.

[up]I didn't think about that before, but now that you've thought of it, I want it.

edited 10th Sep '16 8:10:31 PM by madprophet

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42857: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:10:11 PM

Does it matter the worth of the life they destroy?

Gems are basically reproducing for the sake of it by destroying life on other planets...whether or not it's worth the destruction isn't on their minds.

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madprophet Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
#42858: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:12:51 PM

[up]We present a more permanent solution. We hold the key to making more organic life, the thing they need. That's leverage. It matters little to them what they are destroying. We're giving them more targets, and targets that we consider to be acceptable.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42859: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:14:35 PM

But...that dirt and...those grass had a family.

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ProserpinaFC Since: Jan, 2001
#42860: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:14:58 PM

The fact that we keep calling the Gems "warmongers" is our own way of distancing ourselves from the fact nature is violent and most resource-grabs require violence. You know who hates that nature is violent?

Vegans. Vegans would rather take B12 supplements every day than participate in murdering chickens.

We are discussing the very way Gems re-pro-du-ce. They NEED to absorb LIFE to reproduce and we are willing to call them warmongers for doing it. Punishing the Diamonds would do nothing to actually address helping the Gems find another way to reproduce, no more than punishing the CE Os of the meat industry would help a single person transition into veganism.

Helping someone live through the day-to-day struggle of becoming a vegan turns a person into a vegan. Helping Jasper, Lapis and Peridot rediscover themselves helps them have their own identities.

The Diamonds were ensuring the continuation of their species and Rose Quartz stopped them because she likes lions and moss and human men. I'd love to see Peridot and Steven coming up with solutions to Homeworld's resource problem.

And I'm not saying any of this to say that the Diamonds will be likeable characters or that how they control their society is entirely justifiable or to compare them to any real world example. On a fictional level, as long as they are bad-ass bitches they wake up flawless, I'm going to love them. It's just that Peridot's redemption was fueled by her finding reasons to love and respect life on Earth, not by resentment and disillusionment in her Diamond. That was literally the last step, the icing on the cake.

Hating people is easy. Actually learning to be better than the people you righteously hate is hard. Because, in all honesty, most people are scum. :)

madprophet Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
#42861: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:17:32 PM

I think that's a loss I'm willing to accept. Point remains, once we have leverage, we can slowly push the Diamonds out of power. It might take years, it might not even happen in our lifetimes, but that would be how we could do it with nobody dying.

EDIT: [up]You're right. People don't change. Not really. And it is at this moment that you realize this whole time I've been partially roleplaying as Gregory House.

pops Vicodin

Deception successful.

edited 10th Sep '16 8:20:14 PM by madprophet

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#42862: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:18:58 PM

The death of Pink Diamond shows exactly what would happen if the Diamonds were shattered: her followers became even more fanatically loyal, just as Jasper. Eyeball wasn't even under PD directly, but is still affected by her death.

Whether or not the Gem Empire collapses after the Diamonds shattering, they would still avenge them before the aristocratic gems fight over power. Assuming the aristocracy still exists.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42863: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:20:21 PM

I thought the CG were suppose to kill them, you've already lost your edge. Unless you mean removing their historical mental impact.

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#42864: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:22:19 PM

One more thing: The Ruby squad in general also shows how ingrained purpose and loyalty are for the Homeworld gems. The Rubies are friendly and amiable, until they see you as the enemy.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#42865: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:24:37 PM

Jasper is a perfect example of why just killing the Diamonds won't solve anything. It'd only make stuff worse.

Jasper wasn't freed or relieved when Pink Diamond was shattered, she was destroyed. It led her into a massive spiral of self hatred and despair that ended with her attempting to go to earth to commit suicide by Rose Quartz.

Oh really when?
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42866: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:24:57 PM

[up][up]See who exactly...because they were only fan-girling over Jaspee until the reveal.

We don't know how they'd interact with hyoo-mans or other species.

edited 10th Sep '16 8:25:27 PM by randomness4

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ProserpinaFC Since: Jan, 2001
#42867: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:26:55 PM

So, Peridot needs to create an equation to determine how much organic life is needed to make an optimal generation of Gems? Terra-formed Kindergartens?

To keep the vegan example going, who here eats the USDA recommended ONE serving of meat a day? How evil do you consider yourself for looking at the food pyramid, given to you by your government, and saying, "Yeah, but see, the way my plate is set up—-"

If Peridot made a perfect equation that could make an entire generation of Gems using a planet of algae and mushrooms, would you consider the Gems any more worse for choosing to have "the freedom" to do what they want, even if it were in no one's best interest?

madprophet Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
#42868: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:30:12 PM

[up]Their right to the freedom to do as they wish ends at the right of all sentient beings to exist.

edited 10th Sep '16 8:33:07 PM by madprophet

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#42869: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:33:27 PM

You know, this episode made me think of something.

Steven can theoretically fuse with any human, right? If that's true, could Pearl and Sheena fuse (in a way) with each other through Steven?

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
madprophet Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
#42870: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:34:54 PM

[up]Theoretically. It might not exactly have what you would call a sound mind, but it probably could happen.

ProserpinaFC Since: Jan, 2001
#42871: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:38:28 PM

"The Ruby squad in general also shows how ingrained purpose and loyalty are for the Homeworld gems. The Rubies are friendly and amiable, until they see you as the enemy."

"See who exactly...because they were only fan-girling over Jaspee until the reveal. We don't know how they'd interact with hyoo-mans or other species."

Um.... Their intro episode, they thought they were playing five humans in baseball... XD It's one of your icons!

Peridot was indifferent to Steven when she first met him and swatted at him for being a pest, and Jasper took one look at him and walked away. Regular Homeworld Gems don't see humans as an enemy to be punched in the face on contact. No more than you want to punch a cow. But you do want the cow dead, as that's how you'll consume it.

We are just so used to Always Chaotic Evil enemies who Kick the Dog for no reason that we are honestly confusing all these actions and motivations. All Homeworld Gems "want us dead" because we are below them on the circle of life, not for any malicious reason.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42872: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:38:39 PM

No 3 way fusion with a kid...

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madprophet Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
#42873: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:40:44 PM

[up]That's the attitude of somebody who quits at three.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#42874: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:42:39 PM

Bringing Steven into it does make it...suspect.

I don't see why Pearl would need to fuse - Rose never fused with Greg, but they were very happy together.

Oh God! Natural light!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42875: Sep 10th 2016 at 8:44:46 PM

[up][up]Right, no more than 2 sandwiches.

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