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Precisely my point! The evil of three quantitatively outweighs the evil of the entire history of the human race! Plus, many of those empires you just mentioned did some good things as well. The Mongols were progressive towards women in beaurecratic and even possibly military jobs, the Stalinist regime was similarly pro-Women's Rights, even The Third Reich invented no smoking zones. On the other hand, the Diamond Regime produces nothing but meaningless scientific efforts without any thought towards the people who toil to make those efforts possible.
But they didn't. Simple as that, they didn't.
edited 10th Sep '16 7:32:50 PM by madprophet
And the conversation about hating those people is easy. The conversation about how to be better is hard. (Wait, how are Jasper and Peridot innocent compared to generals and scientists in any of those empires? Because they are fantasy and we attribute "brainwashing"? Are any empires evil only because of their emperors or because everyone thinks everyone is supposed to do what everyone is doing?)
Care to have it?
I don't think anyone else was doing that.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.@madprophet: I don't find the idea of an arbitrary Moral Event Horizon particularly constructive. If a person can be made to behave in a manner that is socially constructive, regardless of what they have done in the past, then let them.
edited 10th Sep '16 7:40:10 PM by CaptainCapsase
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You can't know what you aren't told. Compared to the average human's moral sense, they are skewed. The were born into a cult where the Diamonds are right, your superiors are always correct, and if you question how or why, you will be punished without exception. It's not like the Germans, where people volunteered to part of atrocities. They literally are just following orders without knowing the signifigance of those orders.
You and I am better than the Diamonds by existing. I don't just kill people on whim, I don't endlessly hunger after power just for the sake of power. I don't destroy planets without thought of consequence. Punishment must be shown. Frankly, the whole thing would be easier if they were cowards. Then, at least theoretically, nobody would be killing anybody except for themselves.
I'm confused by what you mean by this. Consequences must be enforced. If not death, life imprisonment would be a suitable answer. We can't let them run free without being punished. That would be at minimum irresponsible, and possibly incredibly dangerous.
edited 10th Sep '16 7:44:33 PM by madprophet
And the emperor was just following orders, too.
Here comes a thought: You hate the Diamonds.
What does that add? What comes next? I was talking about how Amy feels her life is a sin because the very way she was created was horrific enough to ban. You brought in your hatred of the Diamonds and you say that she is innocent and the Diamonds are guilty and should shoulder all her guilt. (I'm a assuming that's the connect you see.)
And then what? Because, obviously, that doesn't solve the problem, which is how to make Gems. Let alone, that Amy doesn't feel any better by vaguely hating the Diamonds and being a Crystal Gem.
But the writers might want you to dislike the Diamondo...why should they be scared of anything?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.@Proserpina
You know, I never really thought about Amethyst being a metaphorical child of rape until now. That's an interesting way of looking at it. Don't hate the child, hate the process that made them, but nevertheless no much you stress that they're beloved and valued in spite of it, and no matter how much encouragement they get, that's gotta get them down, even if they do try to externalize all their anger towards the metaphorical rapist.
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Practically speaking, that's usually true in the real world, though having someone killed simply for the sake of "justice" is pointless in my eyes. If they can be really and truly made to see the error of their ways, imprisonment might not be necessary either.
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Punishing them doesn't solve the problem, but does help ensure that the problem doesn't happen again, at least for a while. Let them serve as examples to dictators future. But let's drop that issue for now. Now to the heart of the thing, fixing the reproductive system. First things first, what do Gems need to reproduce? Energy and high quality stone. Now, class, how can we find highly energetic, minereal rich places where they won't kill anything?
edited 10th Sep '16 7:51:00 PM by madprophet
Do you really think that Gems are going to stop being imperialistic warmongers if you remove the diamonds? They might descend into infighting as the next lowest gems on the food chain fight it out for power, but when/if the dust settles, it'll be no better then under the diamonds. Considerably worse probably, and out for bloody vengeance.
edited 10th Sep '16 7:56:18 PM by CaptainCapsase
We don't want the places where they don't kill anything?
Because most of the planets are empty spheres anyway?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.@alleyoop Exactly.
Amethyst vs Pearl conflict was deeply rooted in Pearl's inability to say anything good about the Pink Colony. She lectures on heroic battles for the freedom of Earth. She apologizes profusely about the Kindergarden.
She's SUPPOSED to do these things. But she never really turns around and notices how upset Amy is, literally saying, "I didn't ask to be made."
Even if they need life force, they can easily reach a rate of replacement without taking over an entire planet. Sure Gems die, but not nearly at the same rate as organic life. Just take enough land to keep their population stable and co-existence should be possible.
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That might happen if none of the Crystal Gems have access to some kind of communication device. A quick broadcast advertising that all gems are now free to do what they want for themselves, not their superiors, and that fusion between castes is A-Okay and that maybe you guys should just maybe chill until we can get there and help you figure leadership out ought to fix that problem.
And to answer my own question, we have a list of exoplanets. Specifically, a type known as Super-Earths. They have incredible gravity and size, comparable to Neptune or Uranus, but rocky compositions. A practical breeding ground for the gems. Untenable for organic life, but ideal for gems.
EDIT: Guys. Guys. GUYS.
I found Homeworld.
55 Cancri e.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Cancri_e
edited 10th Sep '16 8:00:10 PM by madprophet
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I suppose the question is "do they really need to make more Gems?"
...God, that makes the Diamonds sound like the kind of parents who keep telling you that they want grandchildren, even when you've already told them that you're not ready for that sort of thing yet, and you might not ever be ready, and I really don't appreciate you try to rush me into this, Mom!
...That was not in any way based on personal experience. I'm only 21.
edited 10th Sep '16 8:04:21 PM by KarkatTheDalek
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Not sentient life, though. They could live off of moss.
Wait. Another bargaining chip we have.
We know about genetics. Carbon-based genetics. We could make a Gem breeding ground for them! A mutual gain for all sides! We get to live and advance in safety, and the Gems can breed without killing stuff! There's the solution!
edited 10th Sep '16 8:05:27 PM by madprophet
How would that work? The only time that a Gem was created through carbon-based means of production...it ended up killing the Gem parent.

Homeworld makes... Imperialist Japan, British Empire, Ottoman Empire, Aztecs, Ghanian Kingdom, Zulu Kingdom, Communist China, The United States of America, Mongol Kahnates, ... look like a walk in the park.
(the ancient merges of Neaderthals and Africans, and the 70,000 BC wave meeting the 50,000 BC wave...)
edited 10th Sep '16 7:28:48 PM by ProserpinaFC