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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#42301: Sep 5th 2016 at 1:24:02 PM

While is not a deus ex machina, it would be a borderline case, is just writing yourself into a corner and them moving away with it.

And for some reason when I saw zoltron and talk about smiley being comedian this come to my mind

Steven: why you stop being a comedian? Smiley:ehhhhhh

  • flashback*
is joke....is all a joke...mother forgive me....
  • end of flashback*
Smiley: I dont want to talk about it

My friend just glare to me for doing that joke.

Anyway, nice episode, Garnet was little be Deus ex machina here but other than that,pretty good

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#42302: Sep 5th 2016 at 1:30:45 PM

wild mass guessThe creator of Cookie Cat is an alien who's world was destroyed by Homeworld Gems, so they landed on Earth to make a new living.wild mass guess

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#42303: Sep 5th 2016 at 1:32:47 PM

You seem to be either assuming a situation where the Cluster saves everyone out of nowhere or using it to mean "any unsatisfying conclusion where the protagonists are saved by outside help". Since we already know what the Cluster is, it resolving conflict is not inherently a Deus ex Machina.
Yeah okay you're right. By the literal way the page is written it's not. What I really mean is it would be a story breaker, and they'd have to have it appear and write it out immediately. That's not a story telling pattern I really like.

And you ignored the part where I pointed out why it couldn't do that anyway. If it's big enough to pop the earth and make it explode, then it's too big to form on the surface without basically crushing everything.

Given how Steven was hurled into the asteroid belt just by opening an airlock, the cluster forming and consequently butt slamming the earth would probably send the planet flying into the sun

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#42304: Sep 5th 2016 at 1:42:53 PM

I don't necessarily think the Cluster, assuming it ended up being removed from Earth's core somehow (It's not in Earth's core btw, it's actually in the upper mantle), would need to be written out immediately. Especially if it only shows up in prelude to a final confrontation with homeworld. Do we have any idea how many more seasons the show is expected to have?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42305: Sep 5th 2016 at 1:48:04 PM

It's in the upper mantle...near the barn?

Nowhere near the Beta Kindergarten.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#42306: Sep 5th 2016 at 1:55:45 PM

Where IS the Beta Kindergarten?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42307: Sep 5th 2016 at 2:00:21 PM

It's in a desert...wherever those live.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42308: Sep 5th 2016 at 2:20:31 PM

A lot of guesses for the Beta location I've seen is Nevada.

Ruise Nyanpasu~ from your subconscious Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Nyanpasu~
#42309: Sep 5th 2016 at 2:50:40 PM

The Secret Rap Career saga is complete and it is beautiful. [awesome]

Also, glad Greg is going to the rock concert too, I've certainly wanted to see more of his and Amethyst's friendship! When Vidalia gonna get a speaking part again tho?

Loves feel-good animation a whole lot.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#42310: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:22:02 PM

I'm almost positive the Beta Kindergarten is in Antelope Canyon, in Arizona. I was just there a few months ago, and the resemblance is uncanny, and a little terrifying. Also, given that Gem bodies' mass changes to adapt to whatever surface they're standing on, the Cluster has two options: either stand on a planet she could probably hug all the way around, assuming her arms are to proportion to her size, and finagle some sci-fi explanation to justify her being so incredibly light that she doesn't crush anything, or just have her gem orbit the Earth as a large building-sized comet while her Hard Light body floats around it, weightless.

MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#42311: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:31:38 PM

jesus what did i just watch

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#42312: Sep 5th 2016 at 3:36:47 PM

@Random: The rationale for the cluster being in the upper mantle is based on firstly the fact that it's there on Peridot's map, and also the fact that the condition of the rock (going from semi-molten rock back to solid suddenly) they find the cluster in are more in line with the transition layer between the upper and lower mantle, rather than the core (and the layer of molten iron)

Also, during gem drill, they mention passing through the asthenosphere right before breaching the cavern with the cluster, which is indeed the transition layer between the upper/lower mantle.

edited 5th Sep '16 3:38:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42313: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:00:04 PM

[up][up]An episode worth it...

[up]Then they weren't drilling directly downward...

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#42314: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:54:29 PM

[up] The exact coordinates they got from the moonbase show a location on the eastern American seaboard, oddly enough. I feel like there may have been a writer's derp somewhere along the lines.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42315: Sep 5th 2016 at 4:58:11 PM

There was a derp...P-dot said the location was near the Beta Kindergarten, but they got there within a few hours from the Barn.

edited 5th Sep '16 5:00:38 PM by randomness4

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#42316: Sep 5th 2016 at 5:03:14 PM

The rationale for the cluster being in the upper mantle is based on firstly the fact that it's there on Peridot's map, and also the fact that the condition of the rock (going from semi-molten rock back to solid suddenly) they find the cluster in are more in line with the transition layer between the upper and lower mantle, rather than the core (and the layer of molten iron)
And also that Peridot says it's in the mantle.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#42317: Sep 5th 2016 at 5:07:25 PM

What I really mean is it would be a story breaker, and they'd have to have it appear and write it out immediately. That's not a story telling pattern I really like.
It could provide a threat to keep Homeworld from openly invading Earth, but that's not solving all problems. And the Cluster wouldn't have to be written out to restore conflict, keeping it functional would be a source of conflict when it's the only thing that can hold off Earth's destruction.

then it's too big to form on the surface without basically crushing everything.
Obviously it has to go far from Earth, not just above ground, but that still seems within the realm of Homeworld equipment the Crystal Gems could steal. Even thousands of years ago, the gems had teleportation with interstellar range, so it's probably possible to build a pair of high-capacity Warp Pads around the Cluster and in deep space.

Yes, Peridot suggested destroying the Cluster to Yellow Diamond to keep the Earth instead, when moving it out would let them keep both, but she couldn't get the means to do so before it hatched.

just have her gem orbit the Earth as a large building-sized comet while her Hard Light body floats around it, weightless
It's not a safe assumption that their weight-adjusting power could do that. Even if it can, its formed body is supposed to be bigger than Earth, so that would mess up the skyline at the very least.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#42318: Sep 5th 2016 at 5:44:04 PM

It could provide a threat to keep Homeworld from openly invading Earth, but that's not solving all problems. And the Cluster wouldn't have to be written out to restore conflict, keeping it functional would be a source of conflict when it's the only thing that can hold off Earth's destruction.
If they write it so they have control of it it becomes a Story breaker that can solve any problem that gets thrown at them. If they can't adequately control it then it takes over the plot by consuming all of the main character's time. The only way to avoid those issues is to write it out of the plot.

And anyway I think trying to make it fight for them would be against the morals of the main characters. You're either dooming it to a lonely existence defending earth space without it having a choice (because it can't exactly hang out on Earth). Or they're just using it as a weapon to shatter homeworld gems. It's like asking them to use a breaking point but on an apocalyptic scale.

And now that I think about it. If homeworld has ships like the Ruby's roaming eye that can just use black holes or whatever it is to travel wherever they need to go in a jiffy, then the cluster wouldn't exactly be able to "defend" against anything. Homeworld would just go to Earth, they wouldn't have to meet the cluster in space.

edited 5th Sep '16 6:07:33 PM by xanderiskander

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#42319: Sep 5th 2016 at 6:06:31 PM

There was a derp...P-dot said the location was near the Beta Kindergarten, but they got there within a few hours from the Barn.

I think the insertion point was at Beta, but the Cluster itself moved around in the six thousand years afterwards. Peridot just needed the coordinates to aim the drill.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42320: Sep 5th 2016 at 6:16:59 PM

It didn't move...like what?

They needed its exact location and P-dot made an estimated guess about where it is relative to the Barn.

Deep in the mantle from where it was inserted in the Beta testers.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#42321: Sep 5th 2016 at 7:04:32 PM

Is the cluster big enough that it doesn't matter if you drill at the barn or the Beta Kindergarten? How big is the Cluster. I mean if it will destroy the Earth by forming a body it must be pretty big.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42322: Sep 5th 2016 at 7:08:39 PM

The Cluster gem is be almost as big as the moon...the body itself would be much, much bigger as it is with most Gems.

edited 5th Sep '16 7:10:47 PM by randomness4

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Bananaquit Since: Jan, 2001
#42324: Sep 5th 2016 at 7:13:56 PM

Couple of things...

  • The “He left his family behind!” line in the Cookie Cat™ theme song made me laugh so hard the first time I saw that episode. It’s tragically hilarious! Or is that hilariously tragic?
  • On the map Peridot pulls up in “It Could Have Been Great” (I think that was the episode...?), the Beta Kindergarten looks to be near San Diego. So...Anza-Borrego?

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#42325: Sep 5th 2016 at 7:23:20 PM

Most of the other things in the cookie cat song applied to the Gems, so I think that we'll find out that one of the Gems likely had close friends back in Homeworld. The most likely candidate is Pearl as one of the creators said that we'd find out why she wanted to go back to space so badly.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.

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