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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#42051: Sep 2nd 2016 at 7:40:49 PM

I always thought it was obvious Garnet was the leader. Even in the opening she's leading the song while the others sing backup.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#42052: Sep 2nd 2016 at 9:58:23 PM

This might sound cruel, but I want to see an episode where Garnet's true insecurities are shown.

Pearl is still torn up about Rose, and feels useless and betrayed without her. Amethyst feels like an outcast and a freak, and is struggling to acknowledge her flaws. Garnet's only weakness seems to be fusion. Being deceived into fusing got her to split, and feeling responsible for the fusion experiments got her to nearly split.

Ruby's only real character trait is a short temper, and Sapphire is just stoic. Past that, they don't seem to care about much else but each other. I've said it before, but maybe the show can bring up how Garnet doesn't really have a personality past caring strongly about fusion. Like a character (antagonist or not) unintentionally asks an Armor-Piercing Question that gets her to unfuse and/or she has a more long-term Heroic BSoD than in Keeping It Together.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42053: Sep 2nd 2016 at 10:07:38 PM

Thas not cruel, we all want to see the more vulnerable side of Garnet gem.

I'm pretty sure someone else said that exact same thing about Garnet's insecurities.

Also Ruby hasn't had a short temper since "Keystone Motel"..."Mindful Education" just shows that's just how she deals. She's not use to being a soldier no more.

edited 2nd Sep '16 10:21:59 PM by randomness4

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#42054: Sep 2nd 2016 at 10:19:48 PM

"This might sound cruel, but I want to see an episode where Garnet's true insecurities are shown. "

No, I want that too, mostly because so far Garnet centric episode have been ALL about fusion, even the one like hit the diamond is again, about fusion, we get hint of her being a bit of thrill seeker like with that videogame(that aparenly nobody in this thread can actually agree why she act like that) to her being tired at time of leadership.

"shows that's just how she deals. Shels not use to being a soldier no more."

Nope, when she sang about fusion, we see the perpective of Saphire and Ruby, one is stoic for always see the future and Ruby always lost herself in her bad temper

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42055: Sep 2nd 2016 at 10:27:14 PM

Those two sentences aren't related, mang.

I'm not even sure why I said soldier...

edited 2nd Sep '16 10:28:14 PM by randomness4

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dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42056: Sep 2nd 2016 at 10:29:35 PM

According to Matt Burnett's twitter, we're getting an Amethyst song in next week's episode.

GUNDAMU GUNDAMU
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#42057: Sep 2nd 2016 at 10:30:38 PM

Said it before, I'll say it again. Garnet's flaw is arrogance.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42059: Sep 2nd 2016 at 10:59:04 PM

[up][up]Okay, but that doesn't get us anywhere.

She's not often anyway.

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dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42060: Sep 2nd 2016 at 11:14:01 PM

[up][up][up] I'd say it's less arrogance and more "failing to notice certain things by oversight"

edited 2nd Sep '16 11:14:18 PM by dmysta3000

GUNDAMU GUNDAMU
BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#42061: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:22:14 AM

Well, I wrote "I don't want to sound cruel" because my first draft of that sentence was "I want to see Garnet break" (In an emotional sense).

When the show was first starting, someone in this very discussion said they didn't want Pearl to be the character with all of the answers, who knew how to solve any problem, until she didn't for the sake of adding tension. Now, it seems like Garnet is becoming that character. Granted, there have been some episodes where her advice or help was ineffectual, but nothing past that. I want to see an episode where something gets messed up, and it's entirely her fault.

Garnet as of now seems like a character whose arc had been completed before the show ever started. Aside from becoming less stoic, I can't think of any major changes she's had.

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#42062: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:27:51 AM

I mean, both of Garnet's fusions are extremely arrogant, and with the exception of Opal and Rainbow, we've seen that Fusions maintain a certain mixture of their base components' personalities. She constantly has people telling her how great and strong she is (admittedly of their own volition), and has on at least one occasion flat-out said "Yeah, I'm pretty awesome." Admittedly, those last two are flimsy, but my biggest piece of evidence is Meat Beat Mania. It's not like Garnet was hooked into any challenge, she never lost any lives and she was probably using future-vision to get the highest score. So why was she sucked in? Because the game was showering her with meat-based platitudes about how she was the best.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42063: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:28:13 AM

[up][up]Her hair is drawn smaller, thankfully...thas a bigg change.

She's a better teacher.

edited 3rd Sep '16 12:28:32 AM by randomness4

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#42064: Sep 3rd 2016 at 1:14:19 AM

[up][up]

Garnet was sucked into Meat Beat Mania because her future vision kept predicting the game, no?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#42065: Sep 3rd 2016 at 1:16:03 AM

It could be both...she could've stopped any time, but chose to keep playing.

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Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#42066: Sep 3rd 2016 at 7:01:26 AM

Garnet as of now seems like a character whose arc had been completed before the show ever started.

I agree, which is why I think the best chance for a really strong episode centered on her is likely to be found in flashback form.

Part of the problem, I think, is that any crisis bad enough to provide the emotional oomph we're looking for is likely to make Garnet break down literally, and then it's a Ruby & Sapphire/fusion episode by default.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42067: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:58:41 AM

The Jasper's Corruption marathon is on right now. Alone at Sea just ended and I'm sad.

Edit: watching Gem Hunt again got me thinking. Steven talks about the possibility of a newly/half corrupted gem switching between humanoid and corrupted forms uncontrollably, and how maybe he can help a gem in that state.

What if that's foreshadowing for Jasper? If she gets unbubbled, it's possible we could see her switching between her monster form and her half monster form. Otherwise, why would they have Steven talk about healing a gem who's in that state?

edited 3rd Sep '16 11:15:04 AM by smokeycut

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42068: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:19:56 AM

I've got an idea for a Garnet centric episode which would, admittedly, be about fusion but could still explore some insecurities; what if she's the only one that can't fuse with Steven? That could have a lot of implications for her view of her relationship with Steven and self-image.

[up]Your last point still seems like a very big stretch to me.

edited 3rd Sep '16 11:28:08 AM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#42069: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:43:27 AM

[up][up]Because they just got through an episode where a gem was in that state after he healed them. He was speculating that if a gem were already in that state, and not fully corrupted he might be able to heal them.

And even for Steven, that's a stretch, because Steven healed centipeetle while she was reforming (not fully in her corrupted form), and that still didn't work.

edited 3rd Sep '16 11:46:50 AM by xanderiskander

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42070: Sep 3rd 2016 at 11:58:34 AM

But Centipeedle has been corrupted for thousands of years, while Jasper has been corrupted for maybe a few weeks. Plus, Jasper wasn't corrupted by the Diamonds, she got it second hand.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42071: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:07:47 PM

I see no reason to see why the time of completion should matter if it's really completed, which it seems like it is. It really did seem like his "but this just happened" comment, was referring to the fact that she wasn't all the way gone yet.

And there would be a reason for Jasper to switch between her normal self and a corrupted version, because that's never been brought up before.

Edit: If he really did think he could do something for her, instead of letting her get bubbled, he'd ask Amethyst to wait for her to start to reform and try to heal her before she's done, like with Centipeedle.

edited 3rd Sep '16 12:10:57 PM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#42072: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:11:21 PM

If Jasper was poofed before she was corrupted and then bubbled you would have a point. But Jasper fully transformed, and then was poofed. So that doesn't really make any sense.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42073: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:12:53 PM

Also, why assume that Jasper's "second hand corruption" is somehow less poignant that the first wave?

I don't want to gang up on you, but I don't understand the reasoning behind that assumption.

edited 3rd Sep '16 12:13:46 PM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#42074: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:15:36 PM

You're ignoring the entire reason I brought this up though.

During the Jasper's Corruption marathon, one of the episodes, Gem Hunt, has Steven hypothesize that a newly corrupted gem could be transforming back and forth from her corrupted state and a less corrupted state.

Jasper is a newly corrupted gem, which makes her having that problem very possible.

There's no reason to bring that idea up unless it's going to be used later on. Chekov's Gun is a trope for a reason.

[up] Because typically in media, that's how things work.

edited 3rd Sep '16 12:18:00 PM by smokeycut

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#42075: Sep 3rd 2016 at 12:17:53 PM

Again, there is a reason to bring it up. I already addressed it. He's referencing the previous episode.


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