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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#41776: Aug 29th 2016 at 2:25:57 PM

Rebecca said she's going crazy with the writing of season 5 and is pulling out all the stops, so we're at least getting that much. That means at least 50 more episodes.

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#41777: Aug 29th 2016 at 2:26:38 PM

Meanwhile, Adventure Time was renewed up to a ninth season.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#41778: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:18:37 PM

So I saw some talk about what will end up happening to the diamonds at the end of the day. Honeestly, I doubt they're going to be killed; not simply because its a child-friendly series, but because it probably wouldn't make things much better; realistically speaking, the diamonds are as much a product of gem society as any other homeworld gem, and it would be extremely poor writing for the Gems to suddenly stop being a totalitarian, expansionist empire. The Remnant of the Gem Empire might very well be more of a threat to Earth than the present version, if only because Earth would have its undivided attention.

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#41779: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:20:31 PM

the diamonds are as much a product of gem society as any other homeworld gem,

are they

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#41780: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:22:57 PM

[up] To at least some extent; they may be the architects of gem society, and its rulers, but that doesn't mean they themselves aren't influenced by the structure of the society they created.

The real point though, is that were the diamonds to simply be killed, you'd likely see a Vestigial Gem Empire acting in a broadly similar manner.

edited 29th Aug '16 3:25:34 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41781: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:31:19 PM

The Diamonds created Gem society, or at least that seems to be where the show is going. We may no know exactly where they came from, but they're the ones making the rules.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#41782: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:33:19 PM

[up] Yes, but that doesn't mean "remove the diamonds" will solve the problems with Gem society any more than "abolish the nation-state" will solve modern day woes. Moreover, in a society that likely consists of billions if not hundreds of billions of individual spread out over multiple star systems, a large amount of decisionmaking is going to be delegated.

edited 29th Aug '16 3:34:58 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41783: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:36:33 PM

They can't be left in power though.. I doubt they'll all be summarily executed, but saying everything won't be fixed just by stripping them of their position isn't a reason to not do it.

edited 29th Aug '16 3:38:00 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#41784: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:41:34 PM

[up] Yes, but just shattering them probably isn't going to make things better. Particularly if, as has been speculating, the Diamonds using the corruption wave was in response to Rose shattering Pink Diamond.

What I'm getting at is that very few gems on homeworld and its colonies would want to see the diamonds gone, nor would they want a more egalitarian or less militaristic society even without the diamonds to boss them around, and with the colossal numerical and technological advantage they possess, there's pretty much no way to force them to change that which doesn't end with a vengeful homeworld fleet vaporizing Earth.

edited 29th Aug '16 3:44:48 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41785: Aug 29th 2016 at 3:43:16 PM

I'm not arguing that they should all be killed. Like, I agree that the situation is much more complicated than "kill the Diamonds and all Gems get democracy and live happily ever after" but the Diamonds are a very big part of the problem.

edited 29th Aug '16 3:45:52 PM by LSBK

YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#41786: Aug 29th 2016 at 4:10:31 PM

Maybe the show will end with the Diamonds being defeated and then they'll bring someone in to do followup comics deconstructing the situation. That should go over perfectly well.evil grin

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#41787: Aug 29th 2016 at 4:45:07 PM

It's why if the Diamonds are all defeated, they're going to have to be revealed for what they are publicly: cruel, petty dictators. They need to lose their status in Homeworld.

I doubt Homeworld is going to change completely, but perhaps it will be enough to leave Earth alone. And without the Diamonds to keep the caste system in place, it may start to fall apart.

edited 29th Aug '16 4:46:38 PM by SilentColossus

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#41788: Aug 29th 2016 at 4:48:15 PM

I think we'll be getting a slightly more complicated version of Avatar's situation here either way. The Fire Nation just kind of accepted the new rulership because half of them didn't want it in the first place. Homeworld doesn't look so, pardon the pun, clear-cut.

Eyeball's point to her screentime was to show that even those that aren't necessarily good people still feel hurt and betrayed by Rose's actions. Same with Jasper.

When it comes down to it, I don't expect Steven will shatter anyone, but it won't be as easy to solve as Aang's.

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#41790: Aug 29th 2016 at 5:39:12 PM

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#41791: Aug 29th 2016 at 5:53:03 PM

There's always the Evil Will Fail option with the diamonds, where resources just start running out, and their society collapses, / homeworld gems & other colonies revolt on their own.

That there are multiple diamonds makes it easier to set up too, because that means they can end up infighting to accelerate their fall.

edited 29th Aug '16 5:59:50 PM by xanderiskander

srebak Since: Feb, 2011
#41792: Aug 29th 2016 at 7:28:04 PM

1. According to an interview statement from Rebecca Sugar herself that I read; Jasper had a sense of self-loathing that kept her from accepting Steven's help, while Lapis and Peridot both felt that they deserved better than what happened to them. How exactly does that last one work, might I ask?

2. Why is the show still dancing around it? It's obvious that Steven and Connie have romantic feelings for each other by now, why are they still teasing it?

3. Now I can understand why Lapis had issues with the Crystal Gems before; even though it's still debatable if CG poofed her and it's really Homeworld's fault that she wound up inside that mirror, there was still the matter of C Gs using her as a tool and never actually trying to let her out, prior to Steven finding her. But now that she's finally free, has apparently forsaken her status as a Homeworld Gem and is apparently trying to make peace with the C Gs after so long (she's even living with one now), why exactly isn't she considered a Crystal Gem now? As I said already; she's apparently on the road to making peace with them after so many past issues between them. It's not like she can't get involved with their problems by not being a member, she's already involved in their feud with Homeworld; she was one the gems that accompanied Peridot back to Earth, she's the reason why Jasper was MIA for so long and she basically protected and befriended "Rose Quartz", the biggest war criminal of the Rebellion. If Lapis was willing to exact her revenge against the Crystal Gems for leaving her inside the mirror, wouldn't she want revenge on the gems who put her in it to begin with, the gems who made I possible for her to be dragged back to Earth against her will and then locked up? The H Gs have arguably done more to Lapis than the C Gs ever did. What's keeping her from Becoming a Crystal Gem at this point exactly?

4. I have to say, sometimes, it's hard to believe that the Peridot we're seeing in the show today is the same morose, emotionless, calm and collected gem that we saw in season one.

5. Would it be an exaggeration to say that Steven is the most liked resident in Beach City? Because it sure looks that way to me sometimes.

6. Now, if Pink Diamond was the Diamond in charge of Earth's colonization, I can understand her involvement in the war. I can also understand Blue Diamond's involvement in it, if she really was PD's replacement in that regard. But why is Yellow Diamond involved with things regarding the Earth? It was Pink diamond's and then Blue Diamond's colony, so, since Blue Diamond was the one that survived, why isn't she the diamond who has it out for Earth? Why was Yellow Diamond the one responsible for the Cluster, why does she have the animosity for the planet? So far, the series has yet to even imply that she was even involved in the Gem War. The two reasons for her animosity that I can imagine are A.) She sees it as an insult to all of the diamonds and took it upon herself wipe the fiasco from existence, and B.) She was very close to Pink Diamond and seeks to avenge her (if the two of them really were close, that would account for why Pink Diamond's subordinates wound up in YD's camp).

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41793: Aug 29th 2016 at 7:32:53 PM

1) I don't understand what you mean.

2) The show really isn't dancing around it.

3) Just because Lapis can't go back to Homeworld doesn't mean she identifies with the Crystal Gems cause.

4) Eh, I'm used to it.

5) Not an exaggeration at all.

6) We don't know that Blue Diamond took over for Pink Diamond, for all we know Pink could have still been around at the time. I'd image considering what happened, all the Diamonds feel involved. We really can't do anything but speculate on any of their motivations right now.

edited 29th Aug '16 7:36:40 PM by LSBK

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#41794: Aug 29th 2016 at 7:39:53 PM

1 is quite simple. we all get what we deserve...dont we?

3. quite frankly lapis needs a break from all the drama

edited 29th Aug '16 7:43:06 PM by MsAmiClassified

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41795: Aug 29th 2016 at 7:56:37 PM

Just killing the Diamonds would make things worse, but that says close to nothing about their motives.

All evidence is that they're as far as possible from being "a product of gem society". Most significantly, they didn't just form a society for gems, they created the other gems as a species to create an empire, apparently just because they wanted one.

they may be the architects of gem society, and its rulers, that doesn't mean they themselves aren't influenced by the structure of the society they created.
Again, everything suggest the opposite: that the Diamonds are trying to as hard as possible to keep gems (individually and collective) from ever deviating from the Diamonds' original plans, and ignoring any benefits to the alternate. They want their empire to physically expand, but be as culturally stagnant as possible. Blue Diamond's response to Garnet's formation wasn't "You need to prove your value.", it was "It's something entirely new, so kill it."

And Yellow Diamond explicitly puts her own satisfaction ahead of her empire's well-being. When Peridot suggested the Earth would be more useful for creating resources than sacrificing to make a superweapon, Yellow Diamond didn't mention any need for the Cluster, and put almost all of her emphasis on destroying the Earth. In all likeliness, the Cluster is a Pointless Doomsday Device.

Maybe the other two are better, but the half we've seen are clearly terrible leaders, even just in terms of how they treat and what they do for their own people.

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#41796: Aug 29th 2016 at 7:58:53 PM

To be fair to Yellow Diamond, I'm willing to bet if it was any other planet than the Earth she'd at least give Peridot a listen.

She didn't seem super upset at being called on her own personal line and gave Peridot a lot of chances to back out and apologize.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41797: Aug 29th 2016 at 8:14:35 PM

And to be (sort of) fair to Blue Diamond, she seemed to blame Ruby entirely for what happened. Obviously wanting to shatter her over something like that is still terrible but at least she didn't go "Sapphire, you've been tainted now so you have to die too."

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41798: Aug 29th 2016 at 8:24:38 PM

Is that better?

I'd say it's better, but is it really?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41799: Aug 29th 2016 at 8:27:22 PM

In a sense, she only held Ruby accountable because Ruby was the one who actually caused the fusion, so she wasn't being as petty as she could have been. Not a great compliment considering the situation, but it's something.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#41800: Aug 29th 2016 at 8:31:43 PM

Ruby also took the blame entirely for messing up Sapphire's prophecy.

She would've been broken if not for that.

edited 29th Aug '16 8:32:29 PM by randomness4

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