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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41726: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:08:31 PM

Occam's Razor says that if Gems are literally the Gemstone they are named after, then so are fusions. There is no reason to assume they're just making it up.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41727: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:10:02 PM

[up]That's assuming the first part is true. Like, Lapis and Amethyst's gems are apparently not like what the real gem stones are.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#41728: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:12:16 PM

[up][up] Again, we do have a really good reason. The fusions we've seen form for the first time didn't know who they were. They ask themselves who they are even.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41729: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:13:01 PM

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Peridot comparing herself to the peridotite in the Earth's mantle implies that they are. And while Lapis Lazuli indeed dissolves in water, keep in mind that they are "magic."

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Edit: Why would they know what they are if they are not supposed to exist? Gems are programmed with knowledge; fusions, presumably, are not.

edited 28th Aug '16 3:14:40 PM by SilentColossus

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#41730: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:16:25 PM

[up]If they don't know who they are, and then they give themselves a name how are they not coming up with it themselves?

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41731: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:16:54 PM

There's no reason she'd say "I feel like Amethyst knows this" if she hadn't done it before.
Unless someone—lets say a random board meeting of the Crystal Gems—decided to come up with a name for every possible gem fusion, even if it hadn't happened yet. That's functionally what it seems like, regardless of how improbable that is.

Lapis and Amethyst's gems are apparently not like what the real gem stones are.
And Pearl basically can't be because real pearls are made from an organism on Earth, but Pearl is older than either Earth Kindergarten.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#41732: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:18:18 PM

[up]So say a different Pearl and Amethyst fuse, and decide to call themselves Marble instead. Are they wrong, because they weren't at the board meeting?

edited 28th Aug '16 3:19:21 PM by xanderiskander

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41733: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:20:23 PM

No, these names are arbitrary, everyone just uses the same ones because it's convenient for the audience and writers even if it doesn't make sense. Hence why I brought up the MST3K Mantra.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#41734: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:20:39 PM

Amethysts are an entire race in this show's universe. They're Amethysts because that's just what they are.

If an Amethyst fuses with a Rose Quartz, they become a Smoky Quartz, which is another race of gem.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41735: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:22:01 PM

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Or Pearls are created via another organism on an alien planet. Which is what I assumed.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41736: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:22:36 PM

[up][up]Considering how different gems fusing together originally wasn't even supposed to be a thing, that doesn't really make much sense either.

Like, that's probably the simplest explanation, but still...

edited 28th Aug '16 3:23:14 PM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41737: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:24:18 PM

If an Amethyst fuses with a Rose Quartz, they become a Smoky Quartz, which is another race of gem.
Races also have to have their names come from somewhere.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41738: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:26:59 PM

Keep in mind that all Gems known to come from Earth have been quartz, which is one of the most abundant minerals on the planet.

Peridot proudly mentioning peridotite being the same as peridots makes no sense unless Peridot is a peridot.

edited 28th Aug '16 3:30:21 PM by SilentColossus

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41739: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:27:45 PM

Yet we've yet to have a gem named "feldspar".

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41740: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:32:37 PM

And? It is not a coincidence that they're all coming from the second most abundant mineral of the planet. Maybe they have no use for the most abundant, or quartz, being grunts, are easier to make. Maybe they're fusions.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#41741: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:33:25 PM

Wait, why Feldspar in particular?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41742: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:33:54 PM

Quartz aren't supposed to be grunts, those are Rubies. Quartz are supposed to be elite soldiers.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41743: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:34:53 PM

It makes sense for regular gems to be named after the material they're made from—or the alien equivalent in Pearl's case—but that doesn't make sense for fusions.

For starters, rubies and sapphire are forms of aluminum-oxide, but garnets are a group of silicates.

Wait, why Feldspar in particular?
That is the most common mineral. (Also that was just a joke.)

edited 28th Aug '16 3:39:50 PM by thatother1dude

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41744: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:35:26 PM

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Probably closer to shock troops. They're still common, and are not aristocratic.

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Rule of Cool.

edited 28th Aug '16 3:38:39 PM by SilentColossus

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41745: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:44:16 PM

So I guess what SilentColossus and (maybe) smokeycut are saying is that fusion actually chemically alters the component gemstones into a new substance that the fusion will be named after. Which, in Smoky Quartz's case, Amethyst was able to instantly identify.

OK, goodnight.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#41746: Aug 28th 2016 at 3:47:14 PM

It's not about where gems names are based off. It's what fusions names are. There's no evidence of fusions names coming from their actual makeup, or of it being innate knowledge (because it's not innate knowledge. Garnet and Stevonnie demonstrate this.).

The only evidence the show shows us for how they got their names is that they didn't know who they were, and then they come up with a name later. Because unlike gems born in a kindergarten fusions have the freedom to decide their own identity (which is probably theming).

I don't really see how that's a problem?

edited 28th Aug '16 3:57:14 PM by xanderiskander

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