So the response to anyone having something negative to say about Jasper is just going to be she needs a hug from now on, huh?
Because, yeah, she knows it's her fault, but she thinks it's her fault because she failed, not because she actually regrets any of her actions or feels they were wrong.
Obviously with any redemption arc she'll come to that realization, but lets not act like she's already had it.
edited 26th Aug '16 1:34:52 PM by LSBK
Of course not, but that's a separate issue. That Jasper hates herself does not me she also secretly regrets everything she's been doing.
More to the point, just because someone hates themselves doesn't mean you're obliged to feel sorry for them. There's nothing wrong with it if you do, but you shouldn't act as if other people aren't entitled to feel differently.
edited 26th Aug '16 1:44:23 PM by LSBK
Okay, let me start over, because I'm a bit lost in the conversation.
Jasper hates herself and thinks she doesn't deserve the help Peridot and Lapis got.
Jasper laughs after saying everyone she fuses with leaves her. That laugh is kind of important. You don't laugh after saying something like that if you don't know why that thing happens.
Jasper knows that she's hurting people, because that's exactly what happened with Lapis in Alone At Sea, and she knows that she's a failure. Odds are she'd feel validated by killing Steven, because she thought he was Rose. Killing him would make her feel less worthless, but it would be an empty victory. Her diamond is still gone and she's still stranded on Earth.
I don't see Jasper the same way a lot of people in this thread do. I see someone who's ruined their own life and the lives of others because of how much she hates herself, and I think she deserves help just as much as the next person.
Sometimes there's just a patheticness to the self-loathing...
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Her personal issues are based on thinking she's worthless because Earth is lost as a gem colony (regardless of her personal performance in the war).
Her moral failing stem from never questioning if Homeworld's authority is worth dedicating one's life to.
edited 26th Aug '16 1:46:40 PM by thatother1dude
Yeah, and your entitled to that, but it often comes off to me like you and Garcon are trying to impose that view on everyone else, and I've never directly mentioned it because I wasn't sure how to do so.
Just because everyone doesn't like Jasper as much as you or identify with her as much, doesn't mean we all think she deserves to suffer for all eternity.
edited 26th Aug '16 1:48:13 PM by LSBK
I don't remember seeing anyone saying that here. If they did I must have missed it. Either way, they're entitled to that view.
Either way, I don't think Phi Sat said anything that out there by saying her own actions lead her to situation. They did. I get empathizing with her personal turmoil and hoping she gets better but that's not the same thing as trying to paint her as entirely blameless.
edited 26th Aug '16 1:54:36 PM by LSBK
I remember that pretty clearly too. Lots of people were rooting for her to get shattered or corrupted as an example of someone who would forever be irredeemable and unsympathetic.
I also remember someone inviting people who liked Jasper to leave the thread at one point.
edited 26th Aug '16 1:55:26 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?I'd like for Jasper to not get redeemed, but it seems unlikely so I just hope it's handled well and not an Ass Pull.
Oissu!My issue is less with Jasper and more the idea that "love solves everything and everyone can be made good." No, it doesn't, and no, not everyone can.
Well, yeah, I was gone for awhile, but I don't really remember any of what they're were talking about during the week of Jasper.
edited 26th Aug '16 2:00:31 PM by LSBK
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It wouldn't be one now.
edited 26th Aug '16 1:59:14 PM by randomness4
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.

Nah, let her stay a sad sack of potatoes.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.