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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41501: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:26:46 PM

Nah, let her stay a sad sack of potatoes.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41502: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:27:49 PM

I kind of agree. I mean, I get she has issues but the reason they left was because she was terrible to them. So, it's a mixed bag.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#41503: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:27:50 PM

Jasper needs a hug and to learn to love herself.

Oh really when?
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#41504: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:30:48 PM

Based on Rebecca Sugar's interview, if Jasper gets redeemed it'll focus on her hatred of herself, not everyone saying "this is your fault". She knows it's her fault, and she hates herself for it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41505: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:33:26 PM

So the response to anyone having something negative to say about Jasper is just going to be she needs a hug from now on, huh?

Because, yeah, she knows it's her fault, but she thinks it's her fault because she failed, not because she actually regrets any of her actions or feels they were wrong.

Obviously with any redemption arc she'll come to that realization, but lets not act like she's already had it.

edited 26th Aug '16 1:34:52 PM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#41506: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:36:01 PM

The way I read her line about everyone leaving her, it felt like she does know why. She knows she hurt them, and she knows it was wrong, and she knows she failed at everything she was "supposed" to do and be. She hates herself and thinks she's beyond saving because of all that.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41507: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:38:01 PM

I don't get that at all from that interview. It just sounded like she applied her standards of "we all get what we deserve" to herself as well, and because she failed, she deserved what happened to her.

You think she'd actually regret killing Steven and Amethyst if she won?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#41508: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:38:59 PM

Maybe not but I doubt that would have stopped her hating herself.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41509: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:41:07 PM

Of course not, but that's a separate issue. That Jasper hates herself does not me she also secretly regrets everything she's been doing.

More to the point, just because someone hates themselves doesn't mean you're obliged to feel sorry for them. There's nothing wrong with it if you do, but you shouldn't act as if other people aren't entitled to feel differently.

edited 26th Aug '16 1:44:23 PM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#41510: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:44:29 PM

Yeah, I don't see any extra meaning applied to Rebecca's answer in that interview, she's pretty much just saying what we already knew from Earthlings, and Back to the moon. And that's generally how these things go, because saying anything more than that would be spoilers.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#41511: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:45:04 PM

Okay, let me start over, because I'm a bit lost in the conversation.

Jasper hates herself and thinks she doesn't deserve the help Peridot and Lapis got.

Jasper laughs after saying everyone she fuses with leaves her. That laugh is kind of important. You don't laugh after saying something like that if you don't know why that thing happens.

Jasper knows that she's hurting people, because that's exactly what happened with Lapis in Alone At Sea, and she knows that she's a failure. Odds are she'd feel validated by killing Steven, because she thought he was Rose. Killing him would make her feel less worthless, but it would be an empty victory. Her diamond is still gone and she's still stranded on Earth.

I don't see Jasper the same way a lot of people in this thread do. I see someone who's ruined their own life and the lives of others because of how much she hates herself, and I think she deserves help just as much as the next person.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41512: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:45:43 PM

Sometimes there's just a patheticness to the self-loathing...

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41513: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:46:02 PM

Of course not, but that's a separate issue.
The difference between vice/virtue and aptitude/ineptitude.

Her personal issues are based on thinking she's worthless because Earth is lost as a gem colony (regardless of her personal performance in the war).

Her moral failing stem from never questioning if Homeworld's authority is worth dedicating one's life to.

edited 26th Aug '16 1:46:40 PM by thatother1dude

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#41514: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:46:49 PM

[up][up][up]Smokey's got it. [awesome]

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41515: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:47:30 PM

Yeah, and your entitled to that, but it often comes off to me like you and Garcon are trying to impose that view on everyone else, and I've never directly mentioned it because I wasn't sure how to do so.

Just because everyone doesn't like Jasper as much as you or identify with her as much, doesn't mean we all think she deserves to suffer for all eternity.

edited 26th Aug '16 1:48:13 PM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#41516: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:48:31 PM

There have been people in this thread who have said that though. It wasn't all that long ago that people were calling for her to be shattered by Steven.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41517: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:49:29 PM

I don't remember seeing anyone saying that here. If they did I must have missed it. Either way, they're entitled to that view.

Either way, I don't think Phi Sat said anything that out there by saying her own actions lead her to situation. They did. I get empathizing with her personal turmoil and hoping she gets better but that's not the same thing as trying to paint her as entirely blameless.

edited 26th Aug '16 1:54:36 PM by LSBK

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#41518: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:50:00 PM

Ultimatum said it, I remember clear as day.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#41519: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:55:06 PM

I remember that pretty clearly too. Lots of people were rooting for her to get shattered or corrupted as an example of someone who would forever be irredeemable and unsympathetic.

I also remember someone inviting people who liked Jasper to leave the thread at one point.

edited 26th Aug '16 1:55:26 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41520: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:56:45 PM

Like I said, I must not have been around for that. I remember stuff like that on You Tube, but that's You Tube so...

edited 26th Aug '16 1:57:26 PM by LSBK

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#41521: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:57:18 PM

I'd like for Jasper to not get redeemed, but it seems unlikely so I just hope it's handled well and not an Ass Pull.

Oissu!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#41522: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:57:36 PM

[up][up]

You'd be surprised what goes on when you're gone, dude.

[up]

I think they have a plan in mind for that, don't you worry.

edited 26th Aug '16 1:58:17 PM by AdricDePsycho

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41523: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:58:40 PM

My issue is less with Jasper and more the idea that "love solves everything and everyone can be made good." No, it doesn't, and no, not everyone can.

[up]Well, yeah, I was gone for awhile, but I don't really remember any of what they're were talking about during the week of Jasper.

edited 26th Aug '16 2:00:31 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41524: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:59:02 PM

[up][up][up]It wouldn't be one now.

edited 26th Aug '16 1:59:14 PM by randomness4

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#41525: Aug 26th 2016 at 1:59:48 PM

You can't reach all people, but why specifically can't you reach Jasper? That's the sticking point here.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

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