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Malco from the Gungeon Since: Oct, 2015
#41276: Aug 25th 2016 at 2:25:11 AM

[up] #41256

Kill Em All ??

Also, your use of the word "Connie" has piqued my interest in your fic.

edited 25th Aug '16 2:25:35 AM by Malco

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#41277: Aug 25th 2016 at 11:07:55 AM

So, does the change in studio make the art look significantly different? Or is it mostly keeping within the main style. Of course this show being famous for its intentional off model esthetic, I guess that's not saying much.

YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#41278: Aug 25th 2016 at 11:12:49 AM

[up][up]From the source material, more like Ret-Gone.

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41279: Aug 25th 2016 at 12:53:35 PM

So, does the change in studio make the art look significantly different?
Hori's not animating the whole episode (even a ten minute episode would take far too long for one person) and the rest is by the show's usual animators at Rough Draft Studios. We technically don't know if Hori's work is in that clip, but it probably isn't given that it's mostly just talking in that scene.

TheFox Quick like... Since: Jan, 2013
Quick like...
#41280: Aug 25th 2016 at 1:33:41 PM

To harken back to the "Jasper hates herself" debate for a moment (mostly because I wasn't around during it), I think that Jasper's self-loathing can be easily traced back to her history.

She was created on Earth to serve Pink Diamond and fight in the Gem War on Earth. However, Pink Diamond got shattered, Homeworld lost the war, and they lost a ton of soldiers as well. Jasper probably thinks that she could have prevented all of these, but failed.

It only got worse when she returned to Earth and encountered the Crystal Gems. This time she set a goal for herself: Eliminating "Rose Quartz". However, not only did she fail in this, but she saw two fellow Homeworlders defect to the side of the Crystal Gems in the process. Not to mention, she broke Homeworld's code of mores by becoming obsessed with fusion, and yet even when fused, she still couldn't defeat the Crystal Gems.

After all of these failures, and one last-ditch attempt to succeed by creating an army of corrupted gems, Jasper still couldn't destroy "Rose" and became corrupted due to her shortsightedness and tunnel vision. Despite being a flawless quartz soldier, she failed to accomplish any of her goals, and as such, she marked herself a failure. That is why she refused Steven's help.

And once she discovers that Homeworld only really cared about her as a tool rather than a soldier on her own merits, it's going to get even worse.

edited 25th Aug '16 1:34:15 PM by TheFox

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41281: Aug 25th 2016 at 1:38:28 PM

I'm sure Jasper is already aware that she's considered a tool, her issue is that she's an ineffective tool.

I mean, she had that entire spiel about any Gem that serve their intended purpose must be purged and all Gems are taught they exist for the sake of the Diamonds.

edited 25th Aug '16 1:39:37 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41282: Aug 25th 2016 at 1:42:45 PM

[up][up]That last thing's really not going to matter, all Gems should know how much they're worth to the Diamondo based on their function.

They don't hide how they feel...or at least YD doesn't, so it'd be dumb if she doesn't know that.

edited 25th Aug '16 1:43:03 PM by randomness4

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MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#41283: Aug 25th 2016 at 2:05:54 PM

[up][up] and [up] basically

What's more damaging is probably that the last thing she heard was Steven's complete cluelessness as to who Pink was, which for her can only mean one of two things:

  1. This weird runt really isn't Rose, she didn't even have the right target this whole time, stupid stupid

  2. But for Rose, it was Tuesday

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#41284: Aug 25th 2016 at 2:09:54 PM

I think the way Jasper freaked out made it seem like she took it as But for Me, It Was Tuesday and it deeply hurt/offended her.

Oissu!
MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#41285: Aug 25th 2016 at 2:30:14 PM

She's just this end of the Despair Event Horizon.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#41286: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:09:28 PM

I find her pityable without necessarily being sympathetic. What she went through was horrible, and I'd never wish that on anyone aside from the Diamonds, but it did go out of its way to show that everything that brought her to that point was directly her own decisions and lust for power. There's nobody else who influenced her ultimate choices. Lapis as Malachite was a situation she couldn't always control, but the beginning, power struggle, and domination at the end were her doing, and she openly wanted that back, not Lapis.

Even if she won't see it, there's no one to blame but herself for what happened. Even the corruption as terrible as it is was entirely her responsibility, and she should've known that damaged Gems would leave unpleasant consequences, in spite of the fact that her prier experience was seen by her as a net positive.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#41287: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:11:22 PM

Even if she won't see it? Dude that's literally her entire hangup. Self hatred and thinking she's only getting what she deserves.

Oh really when?
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#41288: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:12:52 PM

Pink Diamond being shattered, and Jasper's reason for existing were not Jasper's fault. Those lead to her hating herself, which led to everything she did in the series. It happened because she felt she deserved to be punished for failing. Yeah, she probably knew what'd happen if she fused with the corruption, which is exactly why she did it.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41289: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:18:10 PM

So you think she's also into self-inflicted pain, too?

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BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#41290: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:28:23 PM

Judging by the clip, is anyone else worried that Connie's sad because her and her parents are moving away or something, and the episode's gonna end with her breaking the news to Steven?Maybe that's just the cynic in me talking, but with this show's tendencies to put characters on a bus, I wouldn't be surprised. Or maybe it's just something personal that Steven will try to help her with.

Still, i have high hopes for this episode. Seeing Stevonnie fight should be amazing to see.

On that note, I'd love to see an action show starring a character like them, and have the first season finale's twist to be that they were two kids THE WHOLE TIME!

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#41292: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:28:30 PM

Jasper getting corrupted was the definition of a Karmic Death: She only got what she deserved, trying to fuse with a corrupted and incapable of consenting Gem she'd just been belittling.

Oissu!
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41293: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:31:54 PM

Jasper getting corrupted was the definition of a Karmic Death
Except she didn't die. The trope you seem to be thinking of is Karmic Transformation.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41294: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:33:12 PM

[up][up][up][up]That wouldn't make any sense...Connie is PC.

edited 25th Aug '16 3:33:31 PM by randomness4

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#41295: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:34:07 PM

I mean, considering what we've been told in interviews, artwork posted by the crew, and comments on twitter, I highly doubt the show is going to say "Jasper was evil and deserved everything and won't get help". That kind of goes against what this show is all about.

MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#41296: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:39:57 PM

We all know it's gonna be nuanced regardless.

It's just that it's gonna be nuanced regardless.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41297: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:41:21 PM

Redemption = Cured disease.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#41298: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:42:03 PM

Corruption right now is akin to death since the gem devolves into a mindless being and can't yet be brought back. But yes, it is more of a Karmic Transformation.

Oissu!
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#41299: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:46:22 PM

since the gem devolves into a mindless being
They're explicitly not mindless even when they're fully corrupted, that's what most of "Monster Buddies" and "The Kindergarten Kid" were about.

edited 25th Aug '16 3:46:29 PM by thatother1dude

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#41300: Aug 25th 2016 at 3:52:16 PM

They become purely instinctual if they're in panic.

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